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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tessarael" data-source="post: 1494101" data-attributes="member: 12909">NB: Doppelganger gets +2 Con as well.Ok, I'm seriously confused. You're looking at Mindspy and Invisible Blade. Your character is clearly melee oriented. Concentrate is not a class skill for Doppelgangers. That means at ECL 8 (4 HD + 4 LA), your max rank in Concentrate as a cross-class skill is 3.5. If you continue to take class levels with Concentrate being cross-classed, you won't be able to qualify for Mind Spy until 13 HD (i.e. 4 HD + 9 class levels) ... That's no good. You need to take at least one level in a class with Concentrate as a class skill: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Sorcerer or Wizard.There is no reason for taking such high Wisdom, unless you have levels in Cleric, Druid or Monk. I presume Monk, as you are melee oriented.Ok ... Doppelganger/Monk 1 (ECL 9) is sufficient to qualify for Mindspy at level 10. Almost all your Monk skill points go into Concentration to qualify for Mindspy. And you get a nice hefty AC bonus from Wisdom. I still wouldn't go for Wisdom 20. Good Strength is important for a melee character. I'd go for base abilities of: STR 14 (6), DEX 14 (6), CON 14 (6), INT 10 (2), WIS 14 (6), CHA 16 (10). After racial modifiers, these are:STR 16, DEX 16, CON 16, INT 12, WIS 18, CHA 18.You really need the addition STR and CON to hold your own in combat.You get your feats at HD 1, HD 3, HD 6, ... (i.e. two feats, then your next feat is at ECL 10 - after two class levels). So we're looking at at your Mind Spy build like:Doppelganger/Monk 1/Mindspy 5Get a +2 CHA item to get the extra anticipate bonuses as a Mindspy. That's the best you can do CHA 20, gives you +5 AC and +5 to attack at Mindspy level 5. At this stage, there is no reason to be using Daggers. Use twin Shortswords. Actually better still, use weapon and shield or a two-handed weapon.Now you want Invisible Blade. Ok, this is when you switch to using Daggers. With Unfettered Defense, your INT bonus adds to AC. You're talking Doppelganger/Monk 1/Mindspy 5/Invisible Blade 5 (ECL 19) eventually ... well ok, by this stage you can easily afford a +6 INT bonus item, and you can have put 2 ability points into INT (or do this early if you wish).You will have great AC. Your attack bonus will be +3 STR +4 Doppelganger +5 Minspy +5 Invisible Blade +5 from your Mindspy anticipate bonus. Compared to a warrior at that level, they will have a better STR, but you can feint well with Invisible Blade.Your HP will be quite a bit worse than a warrior. You have 4d8+1d8+5d6+5d8+15*3.Hrmmm. Seems like it will be a playable character at high levels. However, I think you will be very weak in combat for quite a while due to the level adjustment of Doppelganger causing you to lag behind the rest of the party.Just my thoughts ...</blockquote>

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