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<blockquote data-quote="Helldritch" data-source="post: 8535878" data-attributes="member: 6855114">Well, I did say they were not on the scale that 3xed showed us. Yes, you could &quot;hope&quot; for a magical item to make your &quot;optimized&quot; build but you had no feat, no ability score increase to triffle with. And finding that magical item was not a sure thing either. I know of some crazy build with darts of the hornet's nest, but if you don't find any, your build is pretty much done for. The best you could do was to specialize in the weapon your previous fighter had. Bob 1 died. He had a +2 long sword. Let's make Bob the second. Also specialized in the long sword. Otherwise, you were pretty much stuck with what the DM would throw at you. I had a player &quot;forced&quot; to rely on the magic user to cast enchant weapon on his halberd because he never found any that were magical. (well... he found one, at level 19th...)Thank you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Helldritch, post: 8535878, member: 6855114"] Well, I did say they were not on the scale that 3xed showed us. Yes, you could "hope" for a magical item to make your "optimized" build but you had no feat, no ability score increase to triffle with. And finding that magical item was not a sure thing either. I know of some crazy build with darts of the hornet's nest, but if you don't find any, your build is pretty much done for. The best you could do was to specialize in the weapon your previous fighter had. Bob 1 died. He had a +2 long sword. Let's make Bob the second. Also specialized in the long sword. Otherwise, you were pretty much stuck with what the DM would throw at you. I had a player "forced" to rely on the magic user to cast enchant weapon on his halberd because he never found any that were magical. (well... he found one, at level 19th...) Thank you. [/QUOTE]

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