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Message: <blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 5330277" data-attributes="member: 1165">DnD is pretty bad for bar fights prior to 4e. There's just too little in the way of defenses.4e (or good low-magic rules) are slightly better, but the characters are too tough. Although I suppose using healing surges after a bar battle might not be too bad, depending on campaign/setting/feel/etc.Also, the characters won't want to give up their armor. You'd want a setting where characters can not wear armor and not die because of it. And in DnD, characters generally carry their (often large) weapons everywhere, unless it's a big city with a heavily-armed guard force. DnD has pretty lame unarmed combat moves.I've run a fun convenience store brawl (closest I could get to it) using an encounter described in Feng Shui. I've never played that game and only barely understood the rules; I used d20 Modern rules instead. (The class defense bonus helps big time, and the characters are less tough and less likely to wear heavy armor than in 4e.)Here's a short description:Obviously this is for a modern setting; you'd want to put the same amount of thought into a medieval bar. But it should still give you ideas. Replace deli counter with hot soup, etc. It helps that d20 Modern has some decent unarmed combat rules, as long as said rules involve martial arts. (The basic unarmed combat and the Brawl chain of feats are worse than useless. Just use nonlethal damage like in 3.x and it'll work fine though.)</blockquote>

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