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Message: <blockquote data-quote="fba827" data-source="post: 4919580" data-attributes="member: 807">I know I am in the minority, but Invokers are probably my favorite class (note I am more of a 'story' player rather than worried about stats/damage output/etc, so that may be a factor in my preference.).I've only gotten to play it twice, once as a deva invoker at 1st level, and a second time as a human invoker at 1st level.  In both cases I went for the preserving invoker build and choices based on radiant attacks  (it just suits my style; though the wrath invoker build does have a lot of potential itself it just plays different)In both of my experiences, I had fun ... and that's what mattered <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />The preserving invoker seems to play a lot like a wizard (similar defenses and to hit bonuses) with a tad of cleric for protecting allies.  So if you already have a wizard in the party, you'll feel fairly redundant.The wrath invoker seems like it would play similar to a sorcerer but much less damage per target though more targets per hit (i.e. more area effects) so you wouldn't feel redundant even if there was also a sorcerer because you're doing it differently.I haven't even read the new invoker build in DP so I don't know what to make of that.</blockquote>