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<blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9140110" data-attributes="member: 6779310">Rome had to have police, as it had a thriving crime rate before the Empire; more so after. They combined the duties with the fire brigades until the Senate decided that they needed dedicated soldiery to enforce the laws, so the fire brigades could focus on just the fires.Babylon and Assyria had soldiers on patrol to enforce the laws, too...Anywhere you have the money to support a lord and his retinue, you have an economy strong enough for professional criminals. And not so professional raiding neighbors.But the only time we get solid evidence&nbsp; about organized criminal organizations in documentary modes is when they get careless.And remember, absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. Given that major Roman cities had public toilets - a series of holes over a bit of running water, and feeding out into the rivers....and the Garderobe was common from the start of British stone forts... but it was literally a hole in a seat, usually hanging out over the moat, but other times into an oubliette/cesspit. Flush toilets were conceived of in 1596, But HRM Victoria found it too noisy to use.Patents get issued starting in the 1770's...Hell, have a few picture-filed sites:[URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.baus.org.uk/museum/164/a_brief_history_of_the_flush_toilet[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.brubakerinc.com/so-who-invented-the-toilet/[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://toiletology.com/resources/history/history-of-the-flush-toilet/[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://historycooperative.org/who-invented-the-toilet/[/URL]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aramis erak, post: 9140110, member: 6779310"] Rome had to have police, as it had a thriving crime rate before the Empire; more so after. They combined the duties with the fire brigades until the Senate decided that they needed dedicated soldiery to enforce the laws, so the fire brigades could focus on just the fires. Babylon and Assyria had soldiers on patrol to enforce the laws, too... Anywhere you have the money to support a lord and his retinue, you have an economy strong enough for professional criminals. And not so professional raiding neighbors. But the only time we get solid evidence about organized criminal organizations in documentary modes is when they get careless. And remember, absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. Given that major Roman cities had public toilets - a series of holes over a bit of running water, and feeding out into the rivers.... and the Garderobe was common from the start of British stone forts... but it was literally a hole in a seat, usually hanging out over the moat, but other times into an oubliette/cesspit. Flush toilets were conceived of in 1596, But HRM Victoria found it too noisy to use. Patents get issued starting in the 1770's... Hell, have a few picture-filed sites: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.baus.org.uk/museum/164/a_brief_history_of_the_flush_toilet[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.brubakerinc.com/so-who-invented-the-toilet/[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://toiletology.com/resources/history/history-of-the-flush-toilet/[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://historycooperative.org/who-invented-the-toilet/[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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