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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Darkness" data-source="post: 208112" data-attributes="member: 13">In an interactive dungeon crawl (e.g., RttToEE) - or just one where foes (or heroes) occasionally retreat and could be encountered again later -, its duration is quite handy. Can't beat something (say, it has energy resistance or damage reduction) but have some days to spare? Just nail the critter with bestow curse as often as you can, retreat, prepare other spells, and come back. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Heh. Anyway, I have to admit that I've always seen bestow curse as more of a cleric spell anyway (which it probably is, too, given that it's lower level for them) and thus, didn't really compare it to other 4th-level wizard spells.I still wouldn't reduce bestow curse to 1st level... Reducing it by one level (Clr 2, Wiz 3) sounds good enough to me, though.At that level, we have hold person (also Clr 2, Wiz 3) - which is a spell with a nastier effect (helplessness) and a much greater range (Medium), but also much less flexibility (only one possible effect, and only usable on size M or smaller Humanoids; it's also mind-affecting, but since few Humanoids are immune to that, that's not an issue in most cases) and duration (only 1 round/level).Sounds about right IMNSHO. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" />As for mark of justice: Good point about the casting time! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!    :eek:"  data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> Considering that, it might be better to place it at the same level as bestow curse - or 1 above that, but certainly not 2.</blockquote>

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