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Has anyone went back to 1E AD&D from 3E?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 32883" data-attributes="member: 545"><p>Your list of cascading issues are unimportant because you are failing to separate the essential from inessential.</p><p></p><p>Your stripped down 1e system is a simplistic "I swing, you swing" system. Nothing wrong with that if you like that sort of game.</p><p></p><p>It <em>is</em> easy to make 3e exactly that simple. No AoOs. Strip the list of Feats down to 8 or 12. No skill system (just stat checks). Simplify the initiative rules. No bull rush, disarm, etc. Tune down the xp rewards. And guess what? This system is <strong>much faster than "1e lite"</strong> because it has an easier to use AC system, simpler saving throws, and many fewer charts to consult. And the game balance is still more solid as any version of 1e.</p><p></p><p>Of course, if you wanted to add skills that is not going to hurt combat appreciably. Add in feats slowly over the campaign. AoOs are really what slow combat down.</p><p></p><p>IMHO, I know the 3e rules much better than any 1e/2e version even though I have spent maybe one tenth the amount of time learning them. The rules are simply more consistent and more logical. The best part is that when I have a rule question, I can find the relavent section on my first try 90% of the time. Can you say the same about 1e/2e?</p><p></p><p>One of the beautiful things about 3e is it is pretty well balanced. Now yanking out mechanics does affect the game balance, but that is in no way a failing of 3e <em>when you are comparing what is left with 1e</em>. <strong>1e really did not have any game balance to speak of.</strong></p><p></p><p>Your bias for 1e is because you have already done the hard work of customizing the system, and you are not interested in doing the same for 3e even though it would be an easier task. I have no problem with that. But don't confuse your own lethargy with some actual virtue of 1e.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 32883, member: 545"] Your list of cascading issues are unimportant because you are failing to separate the essential from inessential. Your stripped down 1e system is a simplistic "I swing, you swing" system. Nothing wrong with that if you like that sort of game. It [i]is[/i] easy to make 3e exactly that simple. No AoOs. Strip the list of Feats down to 8 or 12. No skill system (just stat checks). Simplify the initiative rules. No bull rush, disarm, etc. Tune down the xp rewards. And guess what? This system is [b]much faster than "1e lite"[/b] because it has an easier to use AC system, simpler saving throws, and many fewer charts to consult. And the game balance is still more solid as any version of 1e. Of course, if you wanted to add skills that is not going to hurt combat appreciably. Add in feats slowly over the campaign. AoOs are really what slow combat down. IMHO, I know the 3e rules much better than any 1e/2e version even though I have spent maybe one tenth the amount of time learning them. The rules are simply more consistent and more logical. The best part is that when I have a rule question, I can find the relavent section on my first try 90% of the time. Can you say the same about 1e/2e? One of the beautiful things about 3e is it is pretty well balanced. Now yanking out mechanics does affect the game balance, but that is in no way a failing of 3e [i]when you are comparing what is left with 1e[/i]. [b]1e really did not have any game balance to speak of.[/b] Your bias for 1e is because you have already done the hard work of customizing the system, and you are not interested in doing the same for 3e even though it would be an easier task. I have no problem with that. But don't confuse your own lethargy with some actual virtue of 1e. [/QUOTE]
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