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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8369643" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Well, that was my point, which you got to at the end. Sure, the 2e fighter might have been equal to the 5e fighter, but, since your opponent had 1/3 the HP, it does mean that the 2e fighter comes out WAY ahead. And, you're also forgetting that against that Ogre, I'm not doing 1d8+3, I'm doing 1d12+3. Additionally, the notion of a 17 Str fighter is pretty laughable to be honest. That 2e fighter will almost always have an 18/percentile strength, which massively ups the damage output, and will most likely be using a second weapon (because, well, if you're playing 2e, why would you not use 2 weapon fighting?) which, again, jacks up our fighter's raw damage output against opponents that are significantly easier to kill.</p><p></p><p>2e really was the fighter edition. And, let's not forget the other side of the equation as well. Those casters, of which your group probably only had 2, had very, very limited resources. I'm struggling to think of a mass damage spell in the 2e PHB before fireball. I'm sure there must have been some, but, none jump out at me from memory. Burning hands I suppose - which was only really good against maybe 2 opponents. The cleric, OTOH, had basically no damage dealing spells at all. Spiritual hammer at 2nd? Was there any damage dealing spells for clerics before 2nd level? In 5e, our 1st level wizard and quite possibly our 1st level cleric both have area of effect damage spells right out of the chute. Thunderwave is a good example. I'm sure there are others. </p><p></p><p>Like I said, track it in your next couple of sessions. Just see how much total damage the casters are doing vs the non-casters. It's shocking.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8369643, member: 22779"] Well, that was my point, which you got to at the end. Sure, the 2e fighter might have been equal to the 5e fighter, but, since your opponent had 1/3 the HP, it does mean that the 2e fighter comes out WAY ahead. And, you're also forgetting that against that Ogre, I'm not doing 1d8+3, I'm doing 1d12+3. Additionally, the notion of a 17 Str fighter is pretty laughable to be honest. That 2e fighter will almost always have an 18/percentile strength, which massively ups the damage output, and will most likely be using a second weapon (because, well, if you're playing 2e, why would you not use 2 weapon fighting?) which, again, jacks up our fighter's raw damage output against opponents that are significantly easier to kill. 2e really was the fighter edition. And, let's not forget the other side of the equation as well. Those casters, of which your group probably only had 2, had very, very limited resources. I'm struggling to think of a mass damage spell in the 2e PHB before fireball. I'm sure there must have been some, but, none jump out at me from memory. Burning hands I suppose - which was only really good against maybe 2 opponents. The cleric, OTOH, had basically no damage dealing spells at all. Spiritual hammer at 2nd? Was there any damage dealing spells for clerics before 2nd level? In 5e, our 1st level wizard and quite possibly our 1st level cleric both have area of effect damage spells right out of the chute. Thunderwave is a good example. I'm sure there are others. Like I said, track it in your next couple of sessions. Just see how much total damage the casters are doing vs the non-casters. It's shocking. [/QUOTE]
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