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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 2929059" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, your assumption is that such items must be sold in a shop.  Why?  Why would a leader of a city be forced to go to a magic shop to buy continual light stones?  Why couldn't he simply deed some juicy land to a sympathetic church and reap the benefits?  I brought this up earlier and it got lost in the wash I think.  One of the problems here is the assumption of power.  Feudal states were rarely so concentrated.  Sure there were kings and emperors, but, it was the guys a long way down the food chain that held the bulk of the power.  What Lord Bob does in his land was pretty much none of the business of the king so long as he paid his tithe.  Sure, the king could likely squash any individual lord, but, collectively?  Not a chance.The idea of such a centrally controlled state would REQUIRE magitech for communications purposes if nothing else.  When it takes days to travel 100 miles, the power of the king ends pretty quickly.  Simple geography defeats a monolithic government.  Even Rome, an extremely powerful state, had very little say in the day to day existence of any of the provinces.  China was more a series of independent states that paid lip service to an empire than anything resembling a modern nation state.Without the means of communication and travel, you can't have a nation state.  The idea is really more anachronistic than magitech.I highly disagree with the assumptions here.  The idea that 3e characters are walking Christmas trees and that this is something new is very removed from my experience.Let's take a 7th level character.  This is admitted by many to be the middle of the sweet spot for gaming.  A 7th level character by RAW is toting around 19k gp in equipment.  So, let's give him the following:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+1 armor 1000 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+1 shield 1000 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+1 sword 2000 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+1 bow 2000 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Gauntlets of ogre power 4000 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">4 potions of whatever 1000 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ring of Swimming 2500 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Amulet of Health +2 4000 gp</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">1500 gp in sundry non-magical items - horse, armor etc.</li> </ul>Now, I'm probably a tad on the high side for this guy.  But, whatever.  Now, how much different is he from a fighter with no magic items?  He has 7 more hit points, +2 to hit, +2 to damage and +2 AC and a bonus to swim.Big deal.  This simply isn't a big enough issue to worry about.  Actually, he doesn't have +2 to hit since the non magic fighter might have MW weapons.  Really, who cares?  You could take away some or all of those items and it wouldn't make the slightest difference.  (Unless you start tossing in all DR/Magic bad guys <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ).  It's just not that large of a difference.At very high levels, 14 or 15 plus, then you see Christmas trees.  But, come on, these are the wahoo levels anyway.</blockquote>

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