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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8149183" data-attributes="member: 87792">First, excellent analysis. Second I'm going to disagree with this part in specific.Resolving 2 or 3 attacks/round with the same target number and same decisions being made doesn't IME take 2 to 3 times longer than one attack. It might for a computer - but for a player you only need to check the target number once (for both rolls) and you can easily grab two different coloured sets of dice. And it's one thought process. It takes longer than one attack, but not much longer.3.X and 4e made different versions of the same mistake here.&nbsp; The 3.X iterative attacks mean that you've got to do linked but different calculations for each attack because there is at least one extra modifier on each attack (plus a different one on TWF). The 4e standard actions are fine for speed (as long as you don't go over about three or four dice; you're right that this is a problem at 7d12). The problem comes when you're using minor action or interrupt attacks. These are added processes and generally also have less familiarity (which speeds any process up, so although the mechanical actions between a two weapon fighting off-hand attack and a minor action attack encounter power may bethe same you'll always be doing the TWF).The other thing is the way the hit points escalate with level. 4e hit points go up linearly. 5e's I would say go up faster - but whatever they do the CR charts in both the DMG and XgtE are utterly broken.But there's one final major missing difference. And that's level range. oD&amp;D was basically a level 1-10 game with a soft cap at L10 where player hit points slowed down. WotC D&amp;D has levels up to 20 in play - and both 3.X and 4e have an epic tier with ridiculous modifiers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 8149183, member: 87792"] First, excellent analysis. Second I'm going to disagree with this part in specific. Resolving 2 or 3 attacks/round with the same target number and same decisions being made doesn't IME take 2 to 3 times longer than one attack. It might for a computer - but for a player you only need to check the target number once (for both rolls) and you can easily grab two different coloured sets of dice. And it's one thought process. It takes longer than one attack, but not [I]much [/I]longer. 3.X and 4e made different versions of the same mistake here. The [I]3.X iterative attacks [/I]mean that you've got to do linked but different calculations for each attack because there is at least one extra modifier on each attack (plus a different one on TWF). The 4e standard actions are fine for speed (as long as you don't go over about three or four dice; you're right that this is a problem at 7d12). The problem comes when you're using minor action or interrupt attacks. These are added processes and generally also have less familiarity (which speeds any process up, so although the mechanical actions between a two weapon fighting off-hand attack and a minor action attack encounter power may bethe same you'll always be doing the TWF). The other thing is the way the hit points escalate with level. 4e hit points go up linearly. 5e's I would say go up faster - but whatever they do the CR charts in both the DMG and XgtE are utterly broken. But there's one final [I]major [/I]missing difference. And that's level range. oD&D was basically a level 1-10 game with a soft cap at L10 where player hit points slowed down. WotC D&D has levels up to 20 in play - and both 3.X and 4e have an epic tier with ridiculous modifiers. [/QUOTE]

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