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<blockquote data-quote="d4" data-source="post: 1187291" data-attributes="member: 12699">i think what he was talking about (and i believe this is a fair objection) is that the monsters chosen to be in the d20 Modern core rulebook support mainly the &quot;D&amp;D in the modern world&quot; campaign model and don't work very well for a &quot;modern myths and legends&quot; type of campaign.if you take the average non-gamer off the street and ask him to name some &quot;monsters&quot;, chances are he's not going to name gnolls, kobolds, mind flayers, and yuan-ti. he's going to say stuff like zombies, vampires, werewolves (all in the d20 Modern book, thankfully), but also bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, Grays, and such which aren't in the book.the stats that they give aren't really that significantly different from the versions in the Monster Manual, and i'd assume that anyone who wants to play &quot;D&amp;D in the modern world&quot; is already going to have a copy of the MM anyway. so it seems like a waste of space in that regard. also, if they really did want new versions of those monsters, i think they should have waited to put them in Urban Arcana, which specifically is a &quot;D&amp;D in the modern world&quot; style of campaign, rather than displacing monsters (such as the aforementioned bigfoot and Gray) which would be more appropriate over a wider range of d20 Modern campaigns.the selection of monsters chosen for d20 Modern enforce the the misapprehension that the game is just for &quot;D&amp;D in the modern world&quot; which is unfortunate.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="d4, post: 1187291, member: 12699"] i think what he was talking about (and i believe this is a fair objection) is that the monsters chosen to be in the d20 Modern core rulebook support mainly the "D&D in the modern world" campaign model and don't work very well for a "modern myths and legends" type of campaign. if you take the average non-gamer off the street and ask him to name some "monsters", chances are he's [i]not[/i] going to name gnolls, kobolds, mind flayers, and yuan-ti. he's going to say stuff like zombies, vampires, werewolves (all in the d20 Modern book, thankfully), but also bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, Grays, and such which [i]aren't[/i] in the book. the stats that they give aren't really that significantly different from the versions in the Monster Manual, and i'd assume that anyone who wants to play "D&D in the modern world" is already going to have a copy of the MM anyway. so it seems like a waste of space in that regard. also, if they really did want new versions of those monsters, i think they should have waited to put them in Urban Arcana, which specifically [i]is[/i] a "D&D in the modern world" style of campaign, rather than displacing monsters (such as the aforementioned bigfoot and Gray) which would be more appropriate over a wider range of d20 Modern campaigns. the selection of monsters chosen for d20 Modern enforce the the misapprehension that the game is just for "D&D in the modern world" which is unfortunate. [/QUOTE]

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