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<blockquote data-quote="Lord_Blacksteel" data-source="post: 5221007" data-attributes="member: 53082"><p>I think the use/non-use of CB does impact the "standard" expectations for campaigns in general. </p><p></p><p>1st ed locally the standard was PHB and then the question was how much Dragon material would the DM allow. Later UA was another yes/no depending on the DM.</p><p></p><p>2nd ed it was PHB + would the DM allow the class/race books, specialty priests, and Tome of Magic.</p><p></p><p>3rd edition was PHB standard then did the DM allow class books? Dragon classes? Did they go to 3.5? How about PHB2 classes? What prestige classes? In fact there really wasn't a standard for much of 3rd edition around here - it was significantly different from DM to DM and even campaign to campaign.</p><p></p><p>Now with 4th the CB has a sort of standardizing effect noted in some earlier posts - the expectation is that if it's in the CB it's in a "normal" game. Restrict it and eyebrows are raised. House Rule and eyebrows are raised. It's certainly less chaotic than late 3rd edition, but it does feel a little more constrained in that instead of potential players being excited about what the DM <u>does</u> allow they seem concerned about what the DM <u>doesn't</u> allow or has changed. It's partially a perceptual thing - with 4th you are removing options from the CB instead of how it was in 3rd where you were allowing new books beyond the PHB. A small difference maybe but I see it as a huge shift in expectations.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lord_Blacksteel, post: 5221007, member: 53082"] I think the use/non-use of CB does impact the "standard" expectations for campaigns in general. 1st ed locally the standard was PHB and then the question was how much Dragon material would the DM allow. Later UA was another yes/no depending on the DM. 2nd ed it was PHB + would the DM allow the class/race books, specialty priests, and Tome of Magic. 3rd edition was PHB standard then did the DM allow class books? Dragon classes? Did they go to 3.5? How about PHB2 classes? What prestige classes? In fact there really wasn't a standard for much of 3rd edition around here - it was significantly different from DM to DM and even campaign to campaign. Now with 4th the CB has a sort of standardizing effect noted in some earlier posts - the expectation is that if it's in the CB it's in a "normal" game. Restrict it and eyebrows are raised. House Rule and eyebrows are raised. It's certainly less chaotic than late 3rd edition, but it does feel a little more constrained in that instead of potential players being excited about what the DM [U]does[/U] allow they seem concerned about what the DM [U]doesn't[/U] allow or has changed. It's partially a perceptual thing - with 4th you are removing options from the CB instead of how it was in 3rd where you were allowing new books beyond the PHB. A small difference maybe but I see it as a huge shift in expectations. [/QUOTE]
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