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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sejs" data-source="post: 3550854" data-attributes="member: 4910">By demonstrating that the stated (particular) apprehension isn't encompassing of the material.  I don't like B, because it is all a bunch of X.  I don't like X.  Well, X1, X2, and X3 are actually Y.  Therefor, B is not all X. Reductio.  5 yard penalty and loss of down.   First off, super racing goats are awesome, second we both know this can go unpleasant places so let's just abandon this particular branch. This argument is, at its core, doomed from the outset.  There's no way I can convince you to start liking the Bo9S regardless of how persuasively I contend against your wire-fu assertion.   I'm more arguing the aesthetics, and possibly looking to offer ways of seeing the material in a different, more palatable way.  See above.  It's not like I could change your mind even if I wanted to.  This is the internet: the last great bastion of self-assuredness.For the purpose of what I was driving at, yeah, ya kinda do need to despise 'em as wire fu.  Some of your other points I even agree with you on - White Raven Tactics (the Initiative Mambo) has a great potential for abuse.  I'm not a great fan of the crusader ready/recover mechanic either.  Mechanical issues are a seperate matter, however.I'm just here to offer a "nyuh uh" to the idea that if you do use the material, your game automatically turns into Kung Fu Hustle or House of Flying Daggers d20.</blockquote>

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