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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9789985" data-attributes="member: 93670">There are two sides to that scenario you note, but you present it as if one is incapable of being unreasonable and the other is incapable of being justified in saying no.&nbsp; Wotc themselves should have made some introspection and asked a more fundamental question during 5.024 first.&nbsp; That question would have been something along the lines of &quot;are there situations where the gm is justified in halting a rest the players should not be taking &amp; should they have functional tools for doing so -OR- should players be able to eliminate all of the tools for the gm to do so?&quot;Unfortunately all of this tiny but talk has been because wotc made choices that answer that question with &quot;there&nbsp; probably are not situations to justify trusting the gm with that power so players should be able to trivially disarm the GMs toolbox on that matter&quot; with a chaser of &quot;your the gm you fix it&quot;whispered under their breath after loudly telling players &quot;tell your story,&quot;You need only look at how frequently this thread has posts in it amounting to chest thumping about not having problems with it while noting how they removed or hanged the spell to get there at their table for evidence of how true they is</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9789985, member: 93670"] There are two sides to that scenario you note, but you present it as if one is incapable of being unreasonable and the other is incapable of being justified in saying no. Wotc themselves should have made some introspection and asked a more fundamental question during 5.024 first. That question would have been something along the lines of "[I]are there situations where the gm is justified in halting a rest the players should not be taking & should they have functional tools for doing so -OR- should players be able to eliminate all of the tools for the gm to do so?"[/I] Unfortunately all of this tiny but talk has been because wotc made choices that answer that question with "[I]there probably are not situations to justify trusting the gm with that power so players should be able to trivially disarm the GMs toolbox on that matter[/I]" with a chaser of "[I]your[/I] the gm you [I]fix[/I] it"whispered under their breath after loudly telling players "[I]tell[/I] your story," You need only look at how frequently this thread has posts in it amounting to chest thumping about not having problems with it while noting how they removed or hanged the spell to get there at their table for evidence of how true they is [/QUOTE]

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