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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rasyr" data-source="post: 2576025" data-attributes="member: 2855">True, to a certain extent. The combination of the OGL (SRD) and d20STL (logo) gives the average gamer the impression that all the third party products using the logo are for D&D (which just happens to be the case for the most part).Quite likely. All the average gamer knows is that if it has the d20 logo, then it is "D&D" even if it does not say D&D on the cover.I seriously doubt that the mechanic will change much from what it currently is. However, like Phil, I do believe that 4E will be much more minis oriented. There is a big "toy" factor involved with minis, and that is something that Hasbro quite likely wants. Have you never wondered why so much effort has been put into the minis side of things? The first minis game pretty much tanked (i.e. did not do well enough to suit the company), and yet they came back and tried it again, with a slightly different take on things, adding in the collectible aspects, etc. Killing the STL is the easy part. The market for 3.5 is already fragmenting (Arcana Evolved, Mutants & Masterminds, Spycraft 2.0, Iron Heroes, Castles & Crusades, True20,  etc..), so if they can find a method of de-fragmenting that player base, they are likely to take it, and that kinda says 4E (not released under the OGL). It will garner the majority of players, those that follow the D&D brand, and if that happens, the d20 STL is almost certainly going to be pulled so that it cannot be used with 3.5-based products.As I pointed out above, the OGL can be pulled as well, from those companies in violation, and like it or not, most companies are in violation of the OGL to one degree or another. So, that could be used to shut down many of the companies still using the OGL after 4E is released. I am not saying that this is probable or even likely (personally, I don't think it is), but it is possible, and something that companies do have to think about.Personally, I do not WANT to see 4E until around 2010. Unfortunately, what *I* want doesn't enter into the equation, and I expect to see 4E no later than 2008 (and believe that 2006 is quite possible, with 2007 (GenCon's 40th anniversary) being a close runner-up. Again, just a few thoughts...</blockquote>

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