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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Vigilance" data-source="post: 2576666" data-attributes="member: 4275">Lol, actually it isnt a hat of 4E at all. I can honestly say I have absolutely no opinion on 4E until I see it and see how it's handled. What I disagree with is the notion that A) 4E has anything to say about the current state of D&D one way or the other, except that monetarily it makes sense to have a new edition- the World of Darkness has gone through editions faster than D&D- a new edition doesnt speak to the hobby either wayB) The fact that Greyhawk is being handled badly means anything about anything (as I pointed out- and as you agreed with- Greyhawk has almost *always* been handled badly). You say the handling of the system in the past made sense because of the "personalities" involved. Except that what I see is a bunch of designers who never got why people wanted to run or play in the Greyhawk setting, because they as a designer wouldn't have created such a world.This doesn't make them bad people- just means they dont get it. Not everyone gets everything. C) Im not trying to shut anything down. I think commenting on a thread while disagreeing is far from bolting the door.Chuck</blockquote>