Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Hasbro's CEO Reports OGL-Related D&D Beyond Cancellations Had Minimal Impact
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Justice and Rule" data-source="post: 8941861" data-attributes="member: 6778210"><p>Uh, that proof isn't a proof, but merely a bold assertion... and one that in modern times, feels <em><strong>woefully</strong></em> inaccurate. We live in an age where "the cruelty is the point" got coined for political policy actions, so acting like malice alone can't explain a decision I think misses the reality we live in.</p><p></p><p>Along with that, Hanlon and Occam are not substitutes for actual arguments. If we had no facts or context, maybe that would hold up. But we have the documents they released, as well as the Brink interviews. There's a pretty clear throughline, and to just default to Hanlon misses what we <em>do</em> know.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's a cool story. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f44d.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt="(y)" title="Thumbs up (y)" data-smilie="22"data-shortname="(y)" /></p><p></p><p>But I think your idea of what happened, that there was no malice involved, doesn't match up with the reality we see. Just watch some of the Brink interviews, where he talks about how he was clearly aware of the OGL stuff and was involved in discussion about it (he says he was both at the table and shielding the studio from these things) as well as his claim that they argued to raise the threshold for royalties. It beggars belief that Kyle didn't, at some point, bring up the obvious reasons and fallout that my come from doing this.</p><p></p><p>So to me, it comes off as incredibly unlikely that Wizards did <em>not</em> know how harmful these moves could be and how the community might react. In fact, I'd say it's practically <em>unbelievable </em>that they didn't have a reasonable idea of what would happen. Yet, they continued their path. It seems obvious to me that Wizards was just willing to take that heat to try and do it, especially given their response and follow-up.</p><p></p><p>At least, it seems more likely than Wizards stumbling into this situation like Mr. Magoo, not able to see the obvious. That just comes off as incredibly infantilizing to the corporate people there, as well as just ignoring what I am repeatedly told is a driving force behind their actions: money. They aren't a charity, or so I am told, so why would they care about the 3PP market beyond what they can get out of it? Their actions seem pretty clear: vassalize the market and give themselves direct control of it. Both OGL 1.1 and 1.2 are very clearly focused giving them that sort of power one way or another. Who cares if they get hurt, since it's not greedy to make as much money as they desire. I'm told that's the whole point, so why <em>wouldn't </em>they try it?</p><p></p><p>To me, the ignorance here isn't Wizards missing what the consequences would be, but simply thinking <em>they could wait them out</em>. And again, that happens all the time in the corporate world: companies weather the outrage, people forget and everything moves on.</p><p></p><p>Or am I being too <em>naïve </em>here?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Justice and Rule, post: 8941861, member: 6778210"] Uh, that proof isn't a proof, but merely a bold assertion... and one that in modern times, feels [I][B]woefully[/B][/I] inaccurate. We live in an age where "the cruelty is the point" got coined for political policy actions, so acting like malice alone can't explain a decision I think misses the reality we live in. Along with that, Hanlon and Occam are not substitutes for actual arguments. If we had no facts or context, maybe that would hold up. But we have the documents they released, as well as the Brink interviews. There's a pretty clear throughline, and to just default to Hanlon misses what we [I]do[/I] know. That's a cool story. (y) But I think your idea of what happened, that there was no malice involved, doesn't match up with the reality we see. Just watch some of the Brink interviews, where he talks about how he was clearly aware of the OGL stuff and was involved in discussion about it (he says he was both at the table and shielding the studio from these things) as well as his claim that they argued to raise the threshold for royalties. It beggars belief that Kyle didn't, at some point, bring up the obvious reasons and fallout that my come from doing this. So to me, it comes off as incredibly unlikely that Wizards did [I]not[/I] know how harmful these moves could be and how the community might react. In fact, I'd say it's practically [I]unbelievable [/I]that they didn't have a reasonable idea of what would happen. Yet, they continued their path. It seems obvious to me that Wizards was just willing to take that heat to try and do it, especially given their response and follow-up. At least, it seems more likely than Wizards stumbling into this situation like Mr. Magoo, not able to see the obvious. That just comes off as incredibly infantilizing to the corporate people there, as well as just ignoring what I am repeatedly told is a driving force behind their actions: money. They aren't a charity, or so I am told, so why would they care about the 3PP market beyond what they can get out of it? Their actions seem pretty clear: vassalize the market and give themselves direct control of it. Both OGL 1.1 and 1.2 are very clearly focused giving them that sort of power one way or another. Who cares if they get hurt, since it's not greedy to make as much money as they desire. I'm told that's the whole point, so why [I]wouldn't [/I]they try it? To me, the ignorance here isn't Wizards missing what the consequences would be, but simply thinking [I]they could wait them out[/I]. And again, that happens all the time in the corporate world: companies weather the outrage, people forget and everything moves on. Or am I being too [I]naïve [/I]here? [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Hasbro's CEO Reports OGL-Related D&D Beyond Cancellations Had Minimal Impact
Top