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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7181021" data-attributes="member: 996">Yeah, it's not really that, either.  But my quibble was more with the word, because it has meaning for me both in the classic-D&D sense (a published adventure) and the in the tech sense (swappable).    Not a knock any system, but:  5e defaults to few/no magic items, and 'breaks' if you add too many (it just makes challenging the party a moving target, which, in past eds might have been characterized as 'breaking,' but you're moving it by giving them items, so it's up to you in the first place, it's not like they can make/buy a bunch of game-breaking items).  3e defaulted to lots of very powerful, highly abusable magic items and was broken prettymuch no matter what.  4e defaulted to lots of fairly unimportant magic items (which was arguably broken in that your reaction to a dragon's horde bursting with gold, jewels and magic items shouldn't be "meh, did I level?"), and 3 item slots critical to 'the math,' that you could replace with a flick of an optional rule.   There's simply less of it.  3.x/d20/Pathfinder product could fill a warehouse, 5e product doesn't fill a bookshelf.    Warehouse, bookshelf, yes.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  Fewer decision points is a double-edged penknife, it means less customization on the player side.  But the class designs, in particular, are not streamlined - streamlined would be only 3 classes (Mage, Priest, Hero, perhaps) or all classes use one progression table.  But, that's the point, again: many of them will be quite familiar to a returning D&D player from the TSR era, the spell progression tables seem particularly important in that regard.  Levels from 1-9? from a few 1st level spells to many of all levels? check, this is D&D.  Yeah, BA is nice, in the sense that it's fairly tightly-progressing scaling.  The magnitude of the numbers being tiny is not really a meaningful part of that.  If everyone can contribute at 20th level with bonuses ranging from +9 to +26, that's not meaningfully different than everyone contributing at the same level with bonuses from -1 to +17.   But it is a huge improvement from the 20+ point swings between maxxed and untrained skills in 3.x, or between full BAB, +5 weapons & massive STR vs half BAB, and that crossbow you've been carrying since 1st level. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />  The key benefit of bounded accuracy is not that the numbers are small, but that the spread in the numbers between the worst and best members of the party at a task don't completely overwhelm the d20.  That was a huge issue in 3.x, and I suppose it might still be in PF.  :shrug:That will be interesting.  I'm optimistic.  Plus, it's all necessarily optional, so if any of it is a problem. *flick* Woot!  I'm pleased with the news precisely because I've stopped seeing literal 'growth' in D&D here at our FLGS.  IMHO, because there's no room, we have D&D bumping magic tables on Wed night, we even have a table out front this summer! - but I couldn't have 'proved' that it hadn't 'plateaued.' <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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