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<blockquote data-quote="mkletch" data-source="post: 480930" data-attributes="member: 3396">There seems to be a lot of focus (no pun intended) on taking the Haste action first.&nbsp; It is my understanding (and please ciorrect me if it is otherwise) that if you are hasted and cast a full-round spell with your standard action first, the spell goes off when you start your partial action.&nbsp; You could refocus in the same way.&nbsp; Refocus on standard, then take your partial.&nbsp; On the next round, you are OK to go on initiative.My problem is more fundamental.&nbsp; Why even bother to refocus.&nbsp; You give up an action so that your next action will come before the opponent?&nbsp; Why not just take the action?&nbsp; In 3E, you simply roll to see who acts first, and in what order.&nbsp; After that, it is cyclic, and you get no benefit from changing your position in the initiative order.[code]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [b][color=white]Refocus&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; No Refocus[/color][color=blue]round 1: opponent-action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]round 1: opponent-action[/color][color=blue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you-&nbsp; &nbsp; refocus[/color][color=blue]round 2: you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color][color=blue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; opponent-action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]round 2: opponent-action[/color][color=blue]round 3: you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color][color=blue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; opponent-action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]round 3: opponent-action[/color][color=blue]round 4: you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color][color=blue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; opponent-action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]round 4: opponent-action[/color][color=blue]round 5: you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color][color=blue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; opponent-action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]round 5: opponent-action[/color][color=blue]round 6: you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color][color=blue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; opponent-action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]round 6: opponent-action[/color][color=blue]round 7: you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; you-&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; action[/color][color=blue]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; opponent-action[/color]&nbsp;&nbsp; [color=green]round 7: opponent-action[/color][/b][/code]So, other than changing when the round breaks, the actions all fall the same.&nbsp; Granted, a combat with several participants will look more complicated, but the relative initiative between any two combatants is unchanged with a refocus.&nbsp; Sorry, but it is indeed useless, except for perception.-Fletch!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="mkletch, post: 480930, member: 3396"] There seems to be a lot of focus (no pun intended) on taking the Haste action first. It is my understanding (and please ciorrect me if it is otherwise) that if you are hasted and cast a full-round spell with your standard action first, the spell goes off when you start your partial action. You could refocus in the same way. Refocus on standard, then take your partial. On the next round, you are OK to go on initiative. My problem is more fundamental. Why even bother to refocus. You give up an action so that your next action will come before the opponent? Why not just take the action? In 3E, you simply roll to see who acts first, and in what order. After that, it is cyclic, and you get no benefit from changing your position in the initiative order. [code] [b][color=white]Refocus No Refocus[/color] [color=blue]round 1: opponent-action[/color] [color=green]round 1: opponent-action[/color] [color=blue] you- refocus[/color] [color=blue]round 2: you- action[/color] [color=green] you- action[/color] [color=blue] opponent-action[/color] [color=green]round 2: opponent-action[/color] [color=blue]round 3: you- action[/color] [color=green] you- action[/color] [color=blue] opponent-action[/color] [color=green]round 3: opponent-action[/color] [color=blue]round 4: you- action[/color] [color=green] you- action[/color] [color=blue] opponent-action[/color] [color=green]round 4: opponent-action[/color] [color=blue]round 5: you- action[/color] [color=green] you- action[/color] [color=blue] opponent-action[/color] [color=green]round 5: opponent-action[/color] [color=blue]round 6: you- action[/color] [color=green] you- action[/color] [color=blue] opponent-action[/color] [color=green]round 6: opponent-action[/color] [color=blue]round 7: you- action[/color] [color=green] you- action[/color] [color=blue] opponent-action[/color] [color=green]round 7: opponent-action[/color][/b] [/code] So, other than changing when the round breaks, the actions all fall the same. Granted, a combat with several participants will look more complicated, but the relative initiative between any two combatants is unchanged with a refocus. Sorry, but it is indeed useless, except for perception. -Fletch! [/QUOTE]

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