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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3357299" data-attributes="member: 1656">If a spell has a saving throw, you automatically attempt the save unless you elect not to.... unless the spell is (harmless).&nbsp; In which case you automatically ignore the saving throw, unless you elect to take it.So if someone says they're going to cast Haste, but you suspect it might be Finger of Death, you don't choose to ignore the saving throw, and you don't choose to make the saving throw; rather, you deliberately avoid making any conscious decision.&nbsp; That way, if it's Haste ((harmless)), the saving throw doesn't happen because you didn't elect to make one; and if it's Finger of Death (not (harmless)), the saving throw happens because you didn't elect not to make one.This is all very sensible, since it means that an unconscious character, who can't make decisions, will automatically allow a Heal spell (Will negates, (harmless)), but will automatically attempt to resist, say, Dominate Person.(As an aside, I've personally elected to make a saving throw against Bless, before; there were two clerics in the party, and I was one, and I wasn't accepting no blessing from that other deity!)-Hyp.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3357299, member: 1656"] If a spell has a saving throw, you automatically attempt the save unless you elect not to. ... unless the spell is (harmless). In which case you automatically ignore the saving throw, unless you elect to take it. So if someone says they're going to cast Haste, but you suspect it might be Finger of Death, you don't choose to ignore the saving throw, and you don't choose to make the saving throw; rather, you deliberately avoid making any conscious decision. That way, if it's Haste ((harmless)), the saving throw doesn't happen because you didn't elect to make one; and if it's Finger of Death (not (harmless)), the saving throw happens because you didn't elect [i]not[/i] to make one. This is all very sensible, since it means that an unconscious character, who can't make decisions, will automatically allow a Heal spell (Will negates, (harmless)), but will automatically attempt to resist, say, Dominate Person. (As an aside, I've personally elected to make a saving throw against Bless, before; there were two clerics in the party, and I was one, and I wasn't accepting no blessing from that other deity!) -Hyp. [/QUOTE]

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