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Haste, should it age you?
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<blockquote data-quote="mkletch" data-source="post: 489054" data-attributes="member: 3396"><p>I have, and it was not intellectually unrewarding (or in XP/GP either <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />). If anything, there is a risk that the highly advanced character gets bored. A player whose character is nearly or always hasted can actually get bored, doing everything while it seems like the other party members are just standing around.</p><p></p><p>This is not a discussion of party balance, though. Haste is one of the love-it/hate-it spells. IMO, it is too powerful for a 3rd level spell, and is one of the few spells that breaks an otherwise useful magic item system. It works well in very high magic campaigns (like the standard Greyhawk or FR campaign settings) or in very low magic campaigns. For an 'average magic campaign', it elevates spellcasters too much, but can really distort any character's contributions. If you have a world with flying castles and dragons sweeping the streets, haste is of no concern to you. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I frankly don't see the problem with Speed armor as it was. It was right on per the magic item system, and most high level characters either cast Mass Haste on a whim, or have a portable hole full of haste potions. How is that any more "balanced"? 'Fixing' speed armor does not cancel the fact that it duplicates one of the most common spells in the game. To paraphrase something from one of the design articles in Dragon, if it is something that everybody wants all of the time, then it is simply too good. Haste sits this bill.</p><p></p><p>-Fletch!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mkletch, post: 489054, member: 3396"] I have, and it was not intellectually unrewarding (or in XP/GP either :D). If anything, there is a risk that the highly advanced character gets bored. A player whose character is nearly or always hasted can actually get bored, doing everything while it seems like the other party members are just standing around. This is not a discussion of party balance, though. Haste is one of the love-it/hate-it spells. IMO, it is too powerful for a 3rd level spell, and is one of the few spells that breaks an otherwise useful magic item system. It works well in very high magic campaigns (like the standard Greyhawk or FR campaign settings) or in very low magic campaigns. For an 'average magic campaign', it elevates spellcasters too much, but can really distort any character's contributions. If you have a world with flying castles and dragons sweeping the streets, haste is of no concern to you. :) I frankly don't see the problem with Speed armor as it was. It was right on per the magic item system, and most high level characters either cast Mass Haste on a whim, or have a portable hole full of haste potions. How is that any more "balanced"? 'Fixing' speed armor does not cancel the fact that it duplicates one of the most common spells in the game. To paraphrase something from one of the design articles in Dragon, if it is something that everybody wants all of the time, then it is simply too good. Haste sits this bill. -Fletch! [/QUOTE]
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