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Haste spell variant - how does this stack up?
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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 450737" data-attributes="member: 3051"><p>I wasn't kidding when comparing to Polymorph Self. Polymorph spells are very good buff spells, statwise, but with drawbacks that keep them from being used in certain situations (polymorph into a Troll in town and people might get a bit... nervous). You're also limited to forms you have access to; if you've never seen a Troll, you can't do that one. Also, Polymorph Self is a self-only spell. Your spell is targettable. That right there is worth a level to me, and easily makes up for its short duration.</p><p>Your spell, on the other hand, has no drawbacks, seems to stack with everything (you didn't specify types for any bonuses), and can be cast on other people without the drawback Polymorph Other has.</p><p></p><p>Polymorph Self isn't exactly balanced as a 4th-level spell either, IMO, as shown by the fact that everyone and their brother wants it. But that's not really the point. You're comparing a targettable spell to a self-only one. Of course the self-only will be more powerful, since the only recipient won't be a combat machine already. See Tenser's Transformation; if you could cast that one on other people, how broken would it be?</p><p></p><p>If you want to make it a 3rd-level spell, all I think you need to do is clarify the stacking/types so that they share types with things people might already want. Make the AC be Deflection AC, the attack bonus be a competence bonus, the movement speed be enhancement bonus like Expeditious Retreat. I'd drop the reflex part.</p><p></p><p>It's just that this spell is something every tank wants, with no downside. Adding 4 on offense AND defense isn't a small thing; look at the level of the Natural Armor power, or Feats like Weapon Focus/Specialization, Dodge...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 450737, member: 3051"] I wasn't kidding when comparing to Polymorph Self. Polymorph spells are very good buff spells, statwise, but with drawbacks that keep them from being used in certain situations (polymorph into a Troll in town and people might get a bit... nervous). You're also limited to forms you have access to; if you've never seen a Troll, you can't do that one. Also, Polymorph Self is a self-only spell. Your spell is targettable. That right there is worth a level to me, and easily makes up for its short duration. Your spell, on the other hand, has no drawbacks, seems to stack with everything (you didn't specify types for any bonuses), and can be cast on other people without the drawback Polymorph Other has. Polymorph Self isn't exactly balanced as a 4th-level spell either, IMO, as shown by the fact that everyone and their brother wants it. But that's not really the point. You're comparing a targettable spell to a self-only one. Of course the self-only will be more powerful, since the only recipient won't be a combat machine already. See Tenser's Transformation; if you could cast that one on other people, how broken would it be? If you want to make it a 3rd-level spell, all I think you need to do is clarify the stacking/types so that they share types with things people might already want. Make the AC be Deflection AC, the attack bonus be a competence bonus, the movement speed be enhancement bonus like Expeditious Retreat. I'd drop the reflex part. It's just that this spell is something every tank wants, with no downside. Adding 4 on offense AND defense isn't a small thing; look at the level of the Natural Armor power, or Feats like Weapon Focus/Specialization, Dodge... [/QUOTE]
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