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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 3735561" data-attributes="member: 32740"><p>True. But for the most part the point is the same - players always control their PC's, the DM controls everyone else. REMOVING that control is not casually done, or should not. For example, as a DM I don't care WHAT the Diplomacy roll is - _I_ am the one who determines if the King still wants to go to war (exactly as even when I DID occasionally use morale rolls I did NOT let the dice DICTATE to me what the enemy would do - which rather invalidated the purpose of a morale roll).</p><p>There shouldn't NEED to be. The DM deciding that all creatures always fight to the death is silly on its face. Players should not and do not need rules arguments to pursuade the DM to end such practices. Nor SHOULD the DM need such rules to get it into his head that such practice might not be the best way to go about running the game.</p><p>Which I take as a proof that morale rules are not necessary, and/or are freely ignored when desired making them purposeless in the first place.</p><p>As I may have stated earlier, I don't have a problem with that except that I don't want to HAVE to ignore rules that I think are genuinely unnecessary. Should it be that I am genuinely outnumbered by people who think that Morale is the chocolate sauce on the RPG sundae, then let it ride. But I still object to it as misspent design time and rules paper.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 3735561, member: 32740"] True. But for the most part the point is the same - players always control their PC's, the DM controls everyone else. REMOVING that control is not casually done, or should not. For example, as a DM I don't care WHAT the Diplomacy roll is - _I_ am the one who determines if the King still wants to go to war (exactly as even when I DID occasionally use morale rolls I did NOT let the dice DICTATE to me what the enemy would do - which rather invalidated the purpose of a morale roll). There shouldn't NEED to be. The DM deciding that all creatures always fight to the death is silly on its face. Players should not and do not need rules arguments to pursuade the DM to end such practices. Nor SHOULD the DM need such rules to get it into his head that such practice might not be the best way to go about running the game. Which I take as a proof that morale rules are not necessary, and/or are freely ignored when desired making them purposeless in the first place. As I may have stated earlier, I don't have a problem with that except that I don't want to HAVE to ignore rules that I think are genuinely unnecessary. Should it be that I am genuinely outnumbered by people who think that Morale is the chocolate sauce on the RPG sundae, then let it ride. But I still object to it as misspent design time and rules paper. [/QUOTE]
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