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<blockquote data-quote="takyris" data-source="post: 1433615" data-attributes="member: 5171">Interesting.&nbsp; I'm in an interesting niche -- my gaming group formed from a bunch of buddies, most of them from a computer company we all used to work at.&nbsp; At least one of the guys had done CRPGing, but no live RPGing ever.&nbsp; So, in my group, I wouldn't say that it's RUINED it, but it HAS altered it.Much less free-form, and much more interest in figuring out &quot;How I'm supposed to solve this problem&quot;.&nbsp; There was some initial confusion over the fact that sometimes, as a DM, I will give the party fights that they're supposed to run away from, and reloading is not an option.&nbsp; I think that the group has for the most part gotten into a good balance -- we still sometimes joke about the players responding to NPCs with &quot;Okay, I'll use Option Two: I'm solving the problem, but I want to get paid for it,&quot; but nothing much bigger than that.I agree that 3E's open engine encourages number-crunching.&nbsp; I don't necessarily think that that's bad, but I've seen people come up with systems that are far too involved to be handled at an enjoyable pace by anyone who isn't using a computer.&nbsp; Heck, in high-level play, one of my players wrote a Squib-Tracker program that kept track of numbered and colored counters and could handle things like &quot;Do 10d6 fire damage, Reflex Half, SR applies, to Red1 through Red10&quot;, and have the computer spit out the results -- these guys dead, these guys reduced to this many hit points, these guys took no damage because of SR.&nbsp; It'd be tough to run high-level games without that.So... for my particular case, it hasn't ruined the game, but it has affected it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="takyris, post: 1433615, member: 5171"] Interesting. I'm in an interesting niche -- my gaming group formed from a bunch of buddies, most of them from a computer company we all used to work at. At least one of the guys had done CRPGing, but no live RPGing ever. So, in my group, I wouldn't say that it's RUINED it, but it HAS altered it. Much less free-form, and much more interest in figuring out "How I'm supposed to solve this problem". There was some initial confusion over the fact that sometimes, as a DM, I will give the party fights that they're supposed to run away from, and reloading is not an option. I think that the group has for the most part gotten into a good balance -- we still sometimes joke about the players responding to NPCs with "Okay, I'll use Option Two: I'm solving the problem, but I want to get paid for it," but nothing much bigger than that. I agree that 3E's open engine encourages number-crunching. I don't necessarily think that that's bad, but I've seen people come up with systems that are far too involved to be handled at an enjoyable pace by anyone who isn't using a computer. Heck, in high-level play, one of my players wrote a Squib-Tracker program that kept track of numbered and colored counters and could handle things like "Do 10d6 fire damage, Reflex Half, SR applies, to Red1 through Red10", and have the computer spit out the results -- these guys dead, these guys reduced to this many hit points, these guys took no damage because of SR. It'd be tough to run high-level games without that. So... for my particular case, it hasn't ruined the game, but it has affected it. [/QUOTE]

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