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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiefling" data-source="post: 344722" data-attributes="member: 251">Hmm. Supermassive post time.I guess. I like to think that gamers are a pretty smart crowd, but so are literature and music people, so I guess it makes no difference. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Oh, I don't doubt it <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />. That's the main reason why I don't often visit other forums.True. I haven't seen as much of it, but that might be because I don't hand out on the Rules forum.Fine with me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> . Not to start a political dicussion, it's just that PCness, when not taken to extremes, seems pretty good to me.I'd like to think that I like nothing more than to enjoy the game. I dunno, maybe I come across like that, I'm really just would like it if people "played nice."Actually, that's another one of my buttons. Being 14, I've been rejected by several prospective groups because I was too young for them.I would agree that some behaviors in gaming are immature, but to me that generally means a proliferation of naked elf babes or a pressing need to always be in the spotlight. Power-gaming isn't part of it.Why's that? If they're having fun, why should they be encouraged to "grow out of it?" I think it would be great if they "grew into" role-playing while still having fun when power-gaming, but "grow out of" naturally implies not just getting into something else but leaving what you already have, which seems odd to me.What do you mean by "played well?"Very true. I think creamsteak touched on this as well.Why? I mean, either way you're pretending to be someone who you aren't in a land of magic and elves and demons. Why would pretending to become as powerful as possible and slay evil things and gain treasure in that world be any less mature than pretending to develop the personality of your role and socially interact with the people in that world?Why? Why not play D&D? With D&D you can do it with other people, and you (through the DM) have greater control of the world and how you play.Well, this is getting into playing with people with conflicting playing styles. I don't ask people to have fun while playing a style they don't like - I wouldn't either. I just ask that you live and let live - let other people play how they like and don't accuse them of immaturity or inferiority.Was it? Certainly "munchkin" is less offensive in general, and it's often used in a manner that isn't offensive at all (describing someone who hogs the spotlight or breaks the rules for personal power, for instance). But having seen it so often used as a word for discriminating against people with a different style of play, whenever I see it I kind of cringe. And if it's used discriminantly against others, to me it seems just like any racial slur. Just because one is more offensive than another doesn't mean that they're incomparable.</blockquote>

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