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<blockquote data-quote="Painfully" data-source="post: 345530" data-attributes="member: 601">Was playing cops and robbers as a kid fun for you?&nbsp; Would you still play the game the same way if you played it today?&nbsp; Of course not.&nbsp; Add some dice, add some charts, add some attitude for your character--it's all good.&nbsp; Now go get'm!&nbsp; (BTW I play Half-life counterstrike all the time.&nbsp; It's very basic and &quot;immature&quot;, but it's a lot of fun.)To me it's the difference between space invaders and chess.&nbsp; Is one less mature?&nbsp; (Maybe mature is not a good word--try intellectually sophisticated)&nbsp; I sure think so.&nbsp; It's all about degrees of variability, and chess has more of it.&nbsp; And I'm not just saying add more charts and dice, I'm saying think in more complex ways.&nbsp; Most gamers I know would be less impressed with a player who slays a dragon with their +5 keen holy scimitar, than a player who used their wits and drew the dragon into a trap using trickery and then tried to bargain with it.&nbsp; I don't want my GM to limit myself and the other players by leaving out the latter possilibity.Do I think it's less sophisticated when there is less room for social interaction by the PCs?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Do I think its a difference of playing style?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Do I think it makes for a less sophisticated game?&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; (Note that most players I know have no problem being mature as well as immature regardless of the game or style involved, but they keep it fun.)&nbsp;By all means, go right ahead.&nbsp; It's there for you to have fun with it.&nbsp; I don't read anybody here saying you can't be a powergamer.&nbsp;Thank goodness.&nbsp; You play in your corner, and I'll play in mine.&nbsp; But, really, I know ONE person right now that I would absolutely refuse to game with, and I think it's truly rare to find someone that makes the game unfun.&nbsp; If you're unlucky enough to find this person, just stay away from them.&nbsp; It's that easy.&nbsp; And it doesn't have to involve name calling or bashing of any kind.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Painfully, post: 345530, member: 601"] Was playing cops and robbers as a kid fun for you? Would you still play the game the same way if you played it today? Of course not. Add some dice, add some charts, add some attitude for your character--it's all good. Now go get'm! (BTW I play Half-life counterstrike all the time. It's very basic and "immature", but it's a lot of fun.) To me it's the difference between space invaders and chess. Is one less mature? (Maybe mature is not a good word--try intellectually sophisticated) I sure think so. It's all about degrees of variability, and chess has more of it. And I'm not just saying add more charts and dice, I'm saying think in more complex ways. Most gamers I know would be less impressed with a player who slays a dragon with their +5 keen holy scimitar, than a player who used their wits and drew the dragon into a trap using trickery and then tried to bargain with it. I don't want my GM to limit myself and the other players by leaving out the latter possilibity. Do I think it's less sophisticated when there is less room for social interaction by the PCs? Yes. Do I think its a difference of playing style? Yes. Do I think it makes for a less sophisticated game? Yes. (Note that most players I know have no problem being mature as well as immature regardless of the game or style involved, but they keep it fun.) By all means, go right ahead. It's there for you to have fun with it. I don't read anybody here saying you can't be a powergamer. Thank goodness. You play in your corner, and I'll play in mine. But, really, I know ONE person right now that I would absolutely refuse to game with, and I think it's truly rare to find someone that makes the game unfun. If you're unlucky enough to find this person, just stay away from them. It's that easy. And it doesn't have to involve name calling or bashing of any kind. [/QUOTE]

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