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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tiefling" data-source="post: 346075" data-attributes="member: 251">I... suppose there's a strange sort of logic to that.That's basically the same as saying "I don't like playing that way, but if you want to play that way good for you. I just won't be playing with you." And that seems perfectly acceptable to me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm not sure it's wise to pursue the PC debate further, seeing as it's, well, political <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />.               But is that a result of power-gaming, or the personalities of those players?                   That doesn't make sense to me. How could "We respect people who play game style X, but we don't play that way" be any worse than "We don't respect people who play game style X, and we don't play that way?"I'm sure that's true of some power-gamers, but I have trouble believing that it's a result of it.That sounds like a problem with the player either simply not having experience or being in the wrong kind of group for them.That sounds right. Certainly most people would have more fun if their character is contributing to the party.Oh, okay. I initially thought that you used the term "munchkin" to refer to power-gamers in general. Am I interpreting your words correctly when I believe that you're refering to someone who cheats, has to outdo the other players, etc.Oh. I was just confused as to how it fit into "I for one do think that there is a difference between mature and immature play, and while I'm happy when 'munchkins' of any age have fun, I do hope (and encourage) that they out grow it. I do think that the game can be played well, because I've seen it and I've seen the difference."I think you may be misinterpreting what I'm saying. I don't mean that one should play with people whose tastes in gaming one doesn't share. I'm just saying that one shouldn't say that their tastes have less worth than yours. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It's certainly your right to play this way.  What's your reasoning behind saying that it's immature?I'm sure I speak for everyone here when I say that you have succeeded at convincing me of your well-endowment. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Oh, I don't deny that. I just deny that it's determined by the group's prefered mix of role-playing and power-gaming.Didn't play it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />  Naturally I didn't begrudge those who did, though.Actually, I think the different styles just employs different kinds of intellect. Role-playing employs one's social and empathic intellect, while power-gaming employs one's numerical and logical intellect. But one could be very socially and empathically adept and yet still prefer to employ one's numerical and logical intellect through power-gaming, or vice versa. In other words, if you like to play one style, it doesn't neccessarily mean that you don't have the skills employed in another style.Good idea. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />P.S. To those of you who I haven't responded to, I agree with you and/or I'm soaking up the information you're giving me like a well-tuned sponge. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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