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<blockquote data-quote="jdrakeh" data-source="post: 3503190" data-attributes="member: 13892"><p>Really? You're typing a great many words pointing out what you personally consider bad about non-optimized characters. If you want to talk about what's good about powergaming do that, but so far the crux of your posts is that powergmaing is good only because you think that the other end of the spectrum is ignorant or clumsy (both words that you've used to describe non-optimized gaming and/or characters). </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In your very first post you condemned immersive gaming (or, non-optimized roleplay, as you've chosen to label it) as being a deliberate ignorance of feat/skill combinations and suggsted that a non-optimized character is a clumsy oaf by default. This tells me nothing of why powergmaing is fun, only that you intensely dislike the other end of the spectrum. Which is what I allude to earlier. </p><p></p><p>For a thread that is supposedly about doting on the positive aspects of powergaming, you're not personally doing a lot of that -- you're singling out what you consider to be the weakpoints of the opposing playstyle and harping on them. Again, if you want to talk about why powergaming is grand, do <em>that</em>. Saying things like. . . </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>. . . isn't addressing the positive aspects of powergaming, but characterizing the negative aspects of immersive roleplay. I'd love to see you actually talk about the positive aspects of powergaming. And to be clear, this is <em>not</em> the same thing as talking mad smack on opposing styles of play. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I suspect that you'd make more headway there if you quit going to great lengths to characterize said other elements as ignorant and/or clumsy, then. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Make no mistake, you've absolutely established a topic here, but your intial post set the tone for the thread. The negative characterizations of non-optimized roleplay therein have nothing to do with the strengths of powergaming. I'd love to talk about why powergaming rocks, but that's not what this thread is about, as you make very clear in your first post. </p><p></p><p>This thread is about, per your own condemnations of non-optimized play and unusual silence about what makes optimized play fun in and of itself, why powergaming is a superior style of play. That is, your initial post is only an evaluation of powergaming's own high points in that it suggests immersive roleplay doesn't measure up by comparison. </p><p></p><p>Maybe that wasn't your intent, but there it is. Don't feel bad, though. As I said earlier, every single thread on the subject seems to be framed in the same context (i.e., why one playstyle is inherently superior to the other).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jdrakeh, post: 3503190, member: 13892"] Really? You're typing a great many words pointing out what you personally consider bad about non-optimized characters. If you want to talk about what's good about powergaming do that, but so far the crux of your posts is that powergmaing is good only because you think that the other end of the spectrum is ignorant or clumsy (both words that you've used to describe non-optimized gaming and/or characters). In your very first post you condemned immersive gaming (or, non-optimized roleplay, as you've chosen to label it) as being a deliberate ignorance of feat/skill combinations and suggsted that a non-optimized character is a clumsy oaf by default. This tells me nothing of why powergmaing is fun, only that you intensely dislike the other end of the spectrum. Which is what I allude to earlier. For a thread that is supposedly about doting on the positive aspects of powergaming, you're not personally doing a lot of that -- you're singling out what you consider to be the weakpoints of the opposing playstyle and harping on them. Again, if you want to talk about why powergaming is grand, do [i]that[/i]. Saying things like. . . . . . isn't addressing the positive aspects of powergaming, but characterizing the negative aspects of immersive roleplay. I'd love to see you actually talk about the positive aspects of powergaming. And to be clear, this is [i]not[/i] the same thing as talking mad smack on opposing styles of play. I suspect that you'd make more headway there if you quit going to great lengths to characterize said other elements as ignorant and/or clumsy, then. Make no mistake, you've absolutely established a topic here, but your intial post set the tone for the thread. The negative characterizations of non-optimized roleplay therein have nothing to do with the strengths of powergaming. I'd love to talk about why powergaming rocks, but that's not what this thread is about, as you make very clear in your first post. This thread is about, per your own condemnations of non-optimized play and unusual silence about what makes optimized play fun in and of itself, why powergaming is a superior style of play. That is, your initial post is only an evaluation of powergaming's own high points in that it suggests immersive roleplay doesn't measure up by comparison. Maybe that wasn't your intent, but there it is. Don't feel bad, though. As I said earlier, every single thread on the subject seems to be framed in the same context (i.e., why one playstyle is inherently superior to the other). [/QUOTE]
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