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Have Scorching Ray and eldritch blast been nerfed somehow with charisma?
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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 6906363" data-attributes="member: 12731"><p>I agree with everything except the last bit. </p><p></p><p>Going down that route is a rabbit hole that doesn't lead anywhere. </p><p></p><p>Asking whether a spell like Eldritch Blast (or Magic Missile etc) hits simultaneously or not is a fallacy, because it suggests the outcome is different depending on the answer. It is not. </p><p></p><p>If all four blasts hit the same target, it takes four times the damage, four times the Charisma adder, and four times the push effect. Regardless of whether you apply them all at once or one at a time. </p><p></p><p>This is because it is only one single casting, and all the rules for spells not stacking talk about multiple spells (and not damage, and only conditions etc).</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>The sorcerer affinity is something <em>completely different</em>. It is a feature that adds a bit of damage to some of your spells. </p><p></p><p>It is not meant to add four times as much benefit for one spell (Scorching Ray) than another (Firebolt) or a third (Fireball). In all cases, this feature adds only its ability modifier once. Equally to all spells. </p><p></p><p>This has <strong>nothing</strong> to do with how spells stack and does not stack. </p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>The poster is comparing apples and oranges. </p><p></p><p>The Warlock invocations <strong>change</strong> a spell, and only one spell at that. Its designer knows the spell in question, and I feel it is reasonable to assume he or she knew that you gain additional blasts as you rise in level. If the intent was to only give the riders to one/the first blast, the burden of proof would have to lie on writing that clearly.</p><p></p><p>The Sorcerer feature <strong>add to</strong> spells, and many different spells at that. Its designer treat all spells equally (as per clarified intent). Something very reasonable, and not something that reasonably needed to be spelled out.</p><p></p><p>There is <em>no reason</em> they should or must work alike.</p><p></p><p>Remember, 5th edition uses "natural language", not lawyer-speak. That is why it is reasonable to evaluate a paragraph using fuzzy subjective language such as "reasonable" above. (Trying to rules-lawyer a specific outcome will get you nowhere. Or, rather, <em>I am</em> rules-lawyering an outcome. I am just using the new toolbox and not the old obsolete one <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 6906363, member: 12731"] I agree with everything except the last bit. Going down that route is a rabbit hole that doesn't lead anywhere. Asking whether a spell like Eldritch Blast (or Magic Missile etc) hits simultaneously or not is a fallacy, because it suggests the outcome is different depending on the answer. It is not. If all four blasts hit the same target, it takes four times the damage, four times the Charisma adder, and four times the push effect. Regardless of whether you apply them all at once or one at a time. This is because it is only one single casting, and all the rules for spells not stacking talk about multiple spells (and not damage, and only conditions etc). --- The sorcerer affinity is something [I]completely different[/I]. It is a feature that adds a bit of damage to some of your spells. It is not meant to add four times as much benefit for one spell (Scorching Ray) than another (Firebolt) or a third (Fireball). In all cases, this feature adds only its ability modifier once. Equally to all spells. This has [B]nothing[/B] to do with how spells stack and does not stack. --- The poster is comparing apples and oranges. The Warlock invocations [B]change[/B] a spell, and only one spell at that. Its designer knows the spell in question, and I feel it is reasonable to assume he or she knew that you gain additional blasts as you rise in level. If the intent was to only give the riders to one/the first blast, the burden of proof would have to lie on writing that clearly. The Sorcerer feature [B]add to[/B] spells, and many different spells at that. Its designer treat all spells equally (as per clarified intent). Something very reasonable, and not something that reasonably needed to be spelled out. There is [I]no reason[/I] they should or must work alike. Remember, 5th edition uses "natural language", not lawyer-speak. That is why it is reasonable to evaluate a paragraph using fuzzy subjective language such as "reasonable" above. (Trying to rules-lawyer a specific outcome will get you nowhere. Or, rather, [I]I am[/I] rules-lawyering an outcome. I am just using the new toolbox and not the old obsolete one :)) [/QUOTE]
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