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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Don Durito" data-source="post: 8125621" data-attributes="member: 6687260">If there's one thing that I think that the evolution of 5e has shown, with the fact that it's brought  back more design elements from 4e over the course of it's life that were supposed deal breakers it's that:1) The issues with 4E were never about Fighters getting dailies or any of that - it was about presentation, complexity or marketing.or2) If those were real issues for people, 5e didn't bring those people back anyway, as no one's complaining about it now.The more experience I have with 5E the more it seems like:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Some weird hybrid of 3E and 4E hacked to play more like an OSR game.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Which is then hacked (mostly unwittinginly) by people who want to use it to play 13th Age without the narrative elements.</li> </ul>Really if you were to take 13th Age, expand the utility spell function a bit, hack in a basic skill system that people were more comfortable with (which is practically already there) de-emphasise the Icons and make them more optional, and add an optional experience point system you'd probably have the ideal game for how most people, as far as I can see, actually want to play D&D.</blockquote>