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Have the designers lost interest in short rests?
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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8126032" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>It isn't the 'needs more damage output' that is the required love, IMHO at all. I'm not a char ops guy, but I am not seeing insufficient damage output from my Battlemaster. At least not in the range levels 1-7 or so, not sure what happens later. </p><p></p><p>Actually I think the CHAMPION is showing the way. It is MUCH MUCH MUCH too feeble in terms of how far it has gone, but if you want a fantastic fighter, that's a glimmer of the path to go down. Now if you just take a page from [USER=82504]@Garthanos[/USER] and load them up with fantastical 'practices' that give them the abilities of a true mythic archetype, you'd have something. Again though, as I pointed out in my last post, you really have to break the D&D genre conventions in the end to really get there. The</p><p>Champion I'm talking about is going to be knocking off the tops of mountains, draining lakes, causing earthquakes, slaying 500 ordinary men in one round of combat, wrestling a giant and winning, etc. The 5e Champion is maybe OK as level 1 in that progression, except it never really progresses. I'd also have plenty of other 'practices' which were taking you in other directions than sheer 'strong man' type stuff.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8126032, member: 82106"] It isn't the 'needs more damage output' that is the required love, IMHO at all. I'm not a char ops guy, but I am not seeing insufficient damage output from my Battlemaster. At least not in the range levels 1-7 or so, not sure what happens later. Actually I think the CHAMPION is showing the way. It is MUCH MUCH MUCH too feeble in terms of how far it has gone, but if you want a fantastic fighter, that's a glimmer of the path to go down. Now if you just take a page from [USER=82504]@Garthanos[/USER] and load them up with fantastical 'practices' that give them the abilities of a true mythic archetype, you'd have something. Again though, as I pointed out in my last post, you really have to break the D&D genre conventions in the end to really get there. The Champion I'm talking about is going to be knocking off the tops of mountains, draining lakes, causing earthquakes, slaying 500 ordinary men in one round of combat, wrestling a giant and winning, etc. The 5e Champion is maybe OK as level 1 in that progression, except it never really progresses. I'd also have plenty of other 'practices' which were taking you in other directions than sheer 'strong man' type stuff. [/QUOTE]
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