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<blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet-7" data-source="post: 8780271" data-attributes="member: 7025282">The last hill I would die on would be classification of medieval weapons and especially swords.At the same time, quarterstaff fighting uses two hands.&nbsp; Is it ever grasped with one hand?&nbsp;&nbsp; Sure.&nbsp; But are there any examples of people historically using a staff and shield?Did people really use a spear and shield and routinely strike with the blunt and end of the spear?&nbsp; Without a shield sure you could bludgeon a close in ally if you are using two hands.I like one of the ideas put forth earlier—-the d4 is a shield bash. Why does any of it matter at all?&nbsp; I guess it all depends on how much grounding you like in your game of magic and elves.&nbsp; I like some.&nbsp; When there is none and option are taken that seem to betray the fiction in favor of a mechanical advantage, that is where I see cheese.It’s just what you are into and willing to accept.&nbsp; In no way does it break the game to have people get polearm master benefits with a shield in use. All of that said, the default game is without feats.&nbsp; In that context, sword and shield are mechanically superior to a two handed weapon much of the time.&nbsp; Especially with dueling style…</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Warpiglet-7, post: 8780271, member: 7025282"] The last hill I would die on would be classification of medieval weapons and especially swords. At the same time, quarterstaff fighting uses two hands. Is it [I]ever[/I] grasped with one hand? Sure. But are there any examples of people historically using a staff and shield? Did people really use a spear and shield and routinely strike with the blunt and end of the spear? Without a shield sure you could bludgeon a close in ally if you are using two hands. I like one of the ideas put forth earlier—-the d4 is a shield bash. Why does any of it matter at all? I guess it all depends on how much grounding you like in your game of magic and elves. I like some. When there is none and option are taken that [I]seem [/I] to betray the fiction in favor of a mechanical advantage, that is where I see cheese. It’s just what you are into and willing to accept. In no way does it break the game to have people get polearm master benefits with a shield in use. All of that said, the default game is without feats. In that context, sword and shield are mechanically superior to a two handed weapon much of the time. Especially with dueling style… [/QUOTE]

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