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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7942327" data-attributes="member: 7006">If people select the Champion, its not because they are looking for something &quot;competitive&quot;, its because they wants the rules and actions of the Champion fighter.&nbsp; Besides, no one except us dingbats here on these boards have wasted our time white-rooming the damage comparisons between all these options to try and figure out if things are &quot;balanced&quot; or not.&nbsp; So when a player comes to the table and sees the Champion and the Battlemaster... their choice isn't going to be about &quot;which one can do the most damage&quot;... it's going to be what and how the two subclasses do what they do, and which one suits the player more.Damage balance only matters after the fact if/when one of the players start feeling bad that they don't seem to be doing the same sorts of things their compatriots are.&nbsp; But until then... none of it matters.&nbsp; I mean heck... what happens if you get a Champion Fighter player and the other PCs are a Knowledge cleric, Whispers bard, Arcane Trickster rogue, and an Abjurer wizard?&nbsp; That Champion is NEVER going to wonder &quot;Ya know... I don't know if my character is &quot;competitive&quot;?&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7942327, member: 7006"] If people select the Champion, its not because they are looking for something "competitive", its because they wants the rules and actions of the Champion fighter. Besides, no one except us dingbats here on these boards have wasted our time white-rooming the damage comparisons between all these options to try and figure out if things are "balanced" or not. So when a player comes to the table and sees the Champion and the Battlemaster... their choice isn't going to be about "which one can do the most damage"... it's going to be what and how the two subclasses do what they do, and which one suits the player more. Damage balance only matters after the fact if/when one of the players start feeling bad that they don't seem to be doing the same sorts of things their compatriots are. But until then... none of it matters. I mean heck... what happens if you get a Champion Fighter player and the other PCs are a Knowledge cleric, Whispers bard, Arcane Trickster rogue, and an Abjurer wizard? That Champion is NEVER going to wonder "Ya know... I don't know if my character is "competitive"?" [/QUOTE]

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