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Message: <blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 7943279" data-attributes="member: 72555">Elven Accuracy is also awesome on a crit-fisher build.If (1) a large % of your damage is encounter/daily after a hit, (2) you have a 19-20 crit range, (3) you get advantage easily, (4) you have elven accuracy, each of these multiplies with each other, and (5) you can swing a lot, these all scale really well.Gloom 3 is "an extra swing per action".Fighter 2 is "two actions".Champion 3 or Hex 1 is "19-20 crit range".Elven Accuracy is "make advantage awesome".Samurai 3 or Assasin 3 is "easy advantage".Paladin 2 or Warlock or BM or whispers or ... "rest-based damage budget that can crit after you hit".These all multiply together.In these cases, a full class level to get a 19-20 crit range is worth taking.  And an ASI (hence a feat) is a middling level ability.The real trick is getting these multipling components online faster.For a crit fisher:Action surge: x2Extra attack: x2, Gloom (3rd attack): x1.5 (or vice versa).19-20 crit range: x2 crits.Advantage: 1.9x crits.Trip-vantage: x1.43 crits.2x*2x*1.5x*2x*1.9x*1.43x = 32.604x critsStrip out a component, like 19-20 crit range, and your crit count is basically halved.You'll note that even on this build, trip-vantage is not as key as 19-20 crit range.You go from 0.05 crits/round to 1.63 crits/round.  This 2.6x's the ROI on per-encounter/per-day smite-likes.Now, hexblade has the problem that the combo is 1/day.  The alternative is Champion.So yes, this build would probably burn a feat for 19-20 crit range, especially if it could get a casting level with that ASI instead of having to take Champion 3.  Ie, Gloom 4,5 is an ASI, an extra attack, and a caster level.  That could be better than Champion 3,4,5 is for this build.Normally this build needs 1 feat (elven accuracy).  With 19-20 crit range as a feat it needs 2.Fighter 2/Gloom 3/Paladin 2 is the base.  Now we need 2 feats and extra attack, and as many spell casting levels as we can get, or Fighter 3, one feat.Champion 3/Gloom 5/Paladin 2 with Elven Accuracy is online; it has caster level 3.  It then goes sorcerer X to fuel the smites.Fighter 2/Gloom 4/Paladin 5 is 1 level later, and has caster level 4.  It can go Paladin 6 for caster level 5 and saving throw aura, then sorcerer X.Champion 3/Gloom 5/Paladin 2/Sorcerer X=10 is caster level 13.Fighter 2/Gloom 4/Paladin 6/Sorcerer X=8 is caster level 13, and has cha to all saves.  So this traded is 1 feat for "+cha to all saves for myself and all allies within 10'", which is a pretty solid trade.Crap, I forgot easy advantage.Samurai 3/Gloom 4/Paladin 6/Sorcerer X=7 is caster level 13, and has cha to all saves.  So this traded is 1 feat for "+cha to all saves for myself and all allies within 10'", which is a pretty solid trade.It comes online at Samurai 3/Gloom 4/Paladin 5 (level 12).  It probably starts as a single-classed Paladin, and needs 13 str/wis/dex/cha to multiclass (ouch).TL;DR: I can see builds that would take 19-20 crit range as a full feat.</blockquote>

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