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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 2432276" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>They didn't take away anything from the various prime worlds though in the first place. If anything the new cosmology (for FR in this instance) is a broken down rehash of the previous planes, a latter day Ptolemic model attempting to burn every book by Copernicus and stick themselves in all their pride at the center of everything.</p><p></p><p>If you only wanted to focus on the prime material previously, the planes were just something else in addition to that. It's not like you had random invasions of Tanar'ri taking over Zhentil Keep and going around killing random mortal NPCs or heavily intruding upon the less fantastic events of the prime. Nothing like : '"Sorry Manshoon, go home, we already took over this city and it's owned by Pazuzu now. Run along home now." - Vrock to Manshoon' ever forced itself on anyone.</p><p></p><p>Now we're left with 'this is the way its always been' and told to ignore all the interloper gods that came from other places that no longer exist and never have, 20 years of references to the Great Wheel in FR books and novels, species and cultures that now don't make sense in light of the new cosmology...</p><p></p><p>You could run a prime centric game, ignoring the planes entirely under the Great Wheel cosmology, and it didn't impose on anyone. Now you've got a collection of planes that are geared utterly around the deities of Toril, and they're almost useless for anyone wanting to use them for a planar campaign. You can still run a prime centric game on Toril, but the planes are worthless for that now in many ways in comparison to the Great Wheel.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 2432276, member: 11697"] They didn't take away anything from the various prime worlds though in the first place. If anything the new cosmology (for FR in this instance) is a broken down rehash of the previous planes, a latter day Ptolemic model attempting to burn every book by Copernicus and stick themselves in all their pride at the center of everything. If you only wanted to focus on the prime material previously, the planes were just something else in addition to that. It's not like you had random invasions of Tanar'ri taking over Zhentil Keep and going around killing random mortal NPCs or heavily intruding upon the less fantastic events of the prime. Nothing like : '"Sorry Manshoon, go home, we already took over this city and it's owned by Pazuzu now. Run along home now." - Vrock to Manshoon' ever forced itself on anyone. Now we're left with 'this is the way its always been' and told to ignore all the interloper gods that came from other places that no longer exist and never have, 20 years of references to the Great Wheel in FR books and novels, species and cultures that now don't make sense in light of the new cosmology... You could run a prime centric game, ignoring the planes entirely under the Great Wheel cosmology, and it didn't impose on anyone. Now you've got a collection of planes that are geared utterly around the deities of Toril, and they're almost useless for anyone wanting to use them for a planar campaign. You can still run a prime centric game on Toril, but the planes are worthless for that now in many ways in comparison to the Great Wheel. [/QUOTE]
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