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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6047186" data-attributes="member: 7006">But do you really think any &quot;forward-moving&quot; design of 4E would actually sell?&nbsp; In greater numbers than a new game would?&nbsp; Isn't the fact that they designed and released Essentials (the first &quot;forward-moving&quot; design of 4E) but apparently did not sell enough to continue down that design road... tell us that small steps in 4E &quot;evolution&quot; would just be catering to a smaller and smaller pool of players?I was and still am a 4E player.&nbsp; Still love the game.&nbsp; But I didn't need Essentials and didn't buy it, because base 4E was fine.&nbsp; I bought the Manual of the Planes.&nbsp; Didn't buy the Astral Sea, Elemental Chaos, Feywild or Shadowfell books... because Manual of the Planes was also fine.&nbsp; So where were WotC going to be getting money out of me from?&nbsp; Not many places remaining that I could see.But when Next gets released, will I buy the three core books?&nbsp; Absolutely!&nbsp; Because I love new games.&nbsp; Different games.&nbsp; I owned one of the older editions of Champions and never bought a later edition... but I damn sure picked up the first Mutants &amp; Masterminds when that got released.&nbsp; Both were superhero games... but M&amp;M was a NEW superhero game.Game 'evolution' is oftentimes unnecessary, especially if the older version still works.&nbsp; But game changing?&nbsp; I'll take a new game with new concepts every time.&nbsp; And THAT'S how they'll get me to open my wallet for them.And I suspect I'm not alone in this way of thinking.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6047186, member: 7006"] But do you really think any "forward-moving" design of 4E would actually [I]sell[/I]? In greater numbers than a new game would? Isn't the fact that they designed and released Essentials (the first "forward-moving" design of 4E) but apparently did not sell enough to continue down that design road... tell us that small steps in 4E "evolution" would just be catering to a smaller and smaller pool of players? I was and still am a 4E player. Still love the game. But I didn't need Essentials and didn't buy it, because base 4E was fine. I bought the Manual of the Planes. Didn't buy the Astral Sea, Elemental Chaos, Feywild or Shadowfell books... because Manual of the Planes was also fine. So where were WotC going to be getting money out of me from? Not many places remaining that I could see. But when Next gets released, will I buy the three core books? Absolutely! Because I love new games. Different games. I owned one of the older editions of Champions and never bought a later edition... but I damn sure picked up the first Mutants & Masterminds when that got released. Both were superhero games... but M&M was a NEW superhero game. Game 'evolution' is oftentimes unnecessary, especially if the older version still works. But game [I]changing[/I]? I'll take a new game with new concepts every time. And THAT'S how they'll get me to open my wallet for them. And I suspect I'm not alone in this way of thinking. [/QUOTE]

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