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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Silverblade The Ench" data-source="post: 5299104" data-attributes="member: 19083">Problem with the great fire raids is, both cases you mention, Tokyo and Dresden,there were many refugees in the area, and you can never tell how many died crushed under buildings, sucked into the hurricane fires, or such likeand in the German case they had to use flamethrowers to "clean out" shelters choked with bodiesie no way in hell they know the REAL number of dead or ever willplus the authorities on all sides lied to keep the numbers looking low, I'd bet one of the "big secrets" still kept of WW2 are the real casualty figures.My Dad wasin the CLydbank BLitz fyi, their house got hit with 3 incendiaries and burned downon firestorms, one serious worry is that back then, our grand/great gandparents had only about 1/4 or 1/5th the amount of flammable material in their homes than we do, because they were so poor comparatively, and there weren't the plastics etc then.While mdoern building safety and fire fighting techiques are far superior, if a firestorm could be triggered it would be much more likely that an urban area would have sufficent fuel for such to be possible.A firestorm requires sufficent fuel per area of ground AND/OR either right weather conditions (thermal inversion) or an enormous source of heat/flamethat's one often overlooked point about nuclear weapons nowadays.Japanese cities had lots of wood and paper construction because it was safer due to earthquakes as well as cheap, so the two cities burned in a firestorm and that's what actually killed much of the victims.Modern cities are much larger and have a hell of a lot more fuel in them.Basing causalties on projections of Japanese cities ignores reality of difference 70 years of affluence etc have had on actual cities/towns. No way you could put out a nuclear-triggered firestorm, it would expand and burn until the fuel density dropped sufficiently as little normal weather could stop it.Firestorms also produce dry lighitng for similar reasons to volcanoes.On more upbeat note, the recent Icelandic reuptions triggered fantastic electrical displays <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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