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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Old Fezziwig" data-source="post: 9737104" data-attributes="member: 59">Lines and veils go back to at least Sex and Sorcery by Ron Edwards, which was published in either 2003 or 2004, but despite the fact that I had heard about Sorcerer back then, I don't think I heard about lines and veils until 2010ish or so, which is kind of bananas.  Having tech that explicitly considered talking about this stuff, or (rather, since it existed) knowing about it and using it, would have been a good thing.  I was a player in a group playing a Midnight game in the mid/late 00s where one of the other players (thankfully not the GM) was very enthusiastic about [ISPOILER]whatever the undead fetus was from the Midnight monster book[/ISPOILER].  It came up in idle conversation after a session -- I think we were two or three games in before he brought it up.  I remember the group shutting down the conversation quickly, which was nice, and he was booted for that and some other things shortly thereafter. But it would've been great to not have had that conversation at all.</blockquote>