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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Willie the Duck" data-source="post: 8398249" data-attributes="member: 6799660">Each superhero property, medium, and continuity has to decide how it is going to meld the characters who can move worlds, those who can control fire or just fly, and those who are just extra capable normal people. Sometimes that can change even within the same property across time or personality. In the MCU Black Widow and even moreso Captain America are treated as valiant for running into the fray of gods and inventors in suits which almost make them gods, while Hawkeye (plus Starlord, it should be mentioned) is more treated as being a bit of a buttmonkey for the same (to be fair, this is mostly done in comedic commentary on the MCU like Renner's turn on SNL, or in Whedon's time in the director's chair where Hawkeye naturally takes on some Xander Harris qualities). The DCU does this all with one character -- Batman is super cool for mixing in with Superman and all the rest... excepting when he's not and portrayed as being in effect a creaking aging athlete who doesn't know when to give it up (plus money). I think it perfectly reasonable to see either 'cool valiant super-normal' or 'walking punchline' in MCU Hawkeye, because I think they are both there.Billd91 is right about this being more Ultimates Hawkeye than traditional comics Hawkeye -- in part I think because by they time he was introduced, Robert Downey Jr. had already taken many of the fun parts of comics Hawkeye and imported them into his Tony Stark character (and nothing is worse than being 'the second quippy one' or the like).I don't know if this show can rehab Hawkeye (regardless of whether he needs it), but I'm all for another more grounded series (alongside Falcon and Winter Soldier). Maybe we can even have a finale without a CGI skybeam. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I would love it if he doesn't get recognized as one of the Avengers, and desperately tries to argue that he's 'that Hawkeye guy from TV' to the guy he's sitting next to somewhere [ispoiler]portrayed by Alan Alda[/ispoiler].</blockquote>

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