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Message: <blockquote data-quote="billd91" data-source="post: 8398528" data-attributes="member: 3400">Yes, and yet no. Ultimates Cap is the kind of Cap who would come right off the win in WWII - force solves things. Like veteran leaders of WWII, he would have learned that applications of destructive force work - keep in mind how the Pentagon behaved in Korea and Vietnam. "Just keep applying more force, it'll work eventually." And Mark Millar recognizes this. Ultimates Cap really is America in the 50s and 60s.He is an unreconstructed man of the 1930s and 40s, he sticks up for women but in a paternalistic way, he fights criminality with his fists and punishes bad behavior with them as well (remember who his targets are in the Ultimates - Banner and Pym and what they do to deserve his wrath). He supports his government. He's not a fascist - just an anachronism who isn't the Cap of Earth 616 who experienced (or rather, his writers experienced) the 1960s, the Civil Rights Movement, protests against the War in Vietnam, Watergate, massive government disillusionment, and so on. Cap of the main continuity is THAT guy and that's the stand-up guy we got in the MCU.</blockquote>