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<blockquote data-quote="Rackhir" data-source="post: 4060223" data-attributes="member: 149"><p>That's only with regards to the "internet connectivity" which has been completely pointless in practice and the Picture in Picture commentary. Which again seems to be less than impressive. PiP is cute and has the potential to be interesting or useful in the future, but that's going to take some re-thinking as to how they do commentaries and use the feature.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Disks are fundamentally a storage medium, more storage is never useless. It means you can use less or no compression (which always has downsides), more special features and/or ones of higher quality, fewer disks, etc... A 50% edge in storage per layer is not an insignificant edge. Blu-ray has the potential for further growth in the future, much as DVDs improved on CDs as a storage medium.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, the cost of extra content has certainly prevented anyone from releasing DVDs with extra content. So obviously it precludes it for Blu-Ray, like the bare bones release of Blade Runner.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, having dual format disks certainly proved to be a major advantage for HD-DVD didn't it. No wait it was a complete flop. The dual format disks were more expensive than standard DVDs since they involved gluing a HD-DVD and a regular DVD together, they had some compatability problems and sold to essentially nobody who didn't have a HD-DVD player already. Which completely negated the point of the dual format disks in the first place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes the physical disks are somewhat more expensive at the moment, but the actual production cost of the disks is not a major portion of the cost of a Blu-Ray release (probably no more than 10% at most) and that is something that will drop rapidly as economies of scale start to kick in. DVDs were similarly expensive at this stage of their introduction.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Yes, the PS3 is the best and most future proof of the Blu-Ray players, however given that the PS3 is fully upgradeable to the 2.0 "final" spec Sony has hardly stranded a lot of early adopters. Most older players aren't going to be able to be upgraded to either the 1.1 or 2.0 spec, but given that most of these players were $500-1,000 dollars they were only selling to people who have more than enough money to replace them and probably would be doing so any way to get the latest bells and whistles. </p><p></p><p>It's not like DVDs have been static in terms of features or capabilities. My old DVD player has neither an HDMI, nor a DVI, nor upscaling, is larger, heavier, etc...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The lawsuit against samsung has nothing to do with the 1.0/1.1/2.0 spec issues. They produced a lousy player and haven't done much to fix it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Blu-ray won based on numbers. It won on numbers because of the PS3, which has sold something like 10x the numbers of stand alone HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players combined. So that even with the slow adoption of the High-Def formats, the Blu-Ray movies were outselling the HD-DVD versions by a factor of x2 or x3.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The Blu-ray disks do not scratch any easier than DVDs. An early version of the Blu-Ray technology, which was sold as a storage medium was vulnerable to being damaged by scratches. So they came in a shell which protected them from being scratched. The consumer Blu-ray disks use an evolved version of the original disks with a much tougher coating that makes them no more vulnerable to being scratched than DVDs, HD-DVDs or CDs are. None of them are immune either.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rackhir, post: 4060223, member: 149"] That's only with regards to the "internet connectivity" which has been completely pointless in practice and the Picture in Picture commentary. Which again seems to be less than impressive. PiP is cute and has the potential to be interesting or useful in the future, but that's going to take some re-thinking as to how they do commentaries and use the feature. Disks are fundamentally a storage medium, more storage is never useless. It means you can use less or no compression (which always has downsides), more special features and/or ones of higher quality, fewer disks, etc... A 50% edge in storage per layer is not an insignificant edge. Blu-ray has the potential for further growth in the future, much as DVDs improved on CDs as a storage medium. Yes, the cost of extra content has certainly prevented anyone from releasing DVDs with extra content. So obviously it precludes it for Blu-Ray, like the bare bones release of Blade Runner. Well, having dual format disks certainly proved to be a major advantage for HD-DVD didn't it. No wait it was a complete flop. The dual format disks were more expensive than standard DVDs since they involved gluing a HD-DVD and a regular DVD together, they had some compatability problems and sold to essentially nobody who didn't have a HD-DVD player already. Which completely negated the point of the dual format disks in the first place. Yes the physical disks are somewhat more expensive at the moment, but the actual production cost of the disks is not a major portion of the cost of a Blu-Ray release (probably no more than 10% at most) and that is something that will drop rapidly as economies of scale start to kick in. DVDs were similarly expensive at this stage of their introduction. Yes, the PS3 is the best and most future proof of the Blu-Ray players, however given that the PS3 is fully upgradeable to the 2.0 "final" spec Sony has hardly stranded a lot of early adopters. Most older players aren't going to be able to be upgraded to either the 1.1 or 2.0 spec, but given that most of these players were $500-1,000 dollars they were only selling to people who have more than enough money to replace them and probably would be doing so any way to get the latest bells and whistles. It's not like DVDs have been static in terms of features or capabilities. My old DVD player has neither an HDMI, nor a DVI, nor upscaling, is larger, heavier, etc... The lawsuit against samsung has nothing to do with the 1.0/1.1/2.0 spec issues. They produced a lousy player and haven't done much to fix it. Blu-ray won based on numbers. It won on numbers because of the PS3, which has sold something like 10x the numbers of stand alone HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players combined. So that even with the slow adoption of the High-Def formats, the Blu-Ray movies were outselling the HD-DVD versions by a factor of x2 or x3. The Blu-ray disks do not scratch any easier than DVDs. An early version of the Blu-Ray technology, which was sold as a storage medium was vulnerable to being damaged by scratches. So they came in a shell which protected them from being scratched. The consumer Blu-ray disks use an evolved version of the original disks with a much tougher coating that makes them no more vulnerable to being scratched than DVDs, HD-DVDs or CDs are. None of them are immune either. [/QUOTE]
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