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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 2609369" data-attributes="member: 32740">Actually, I think rules regarding how you HIT a rider versus hitting a mount are far superior to using rules for Sunder.A halfling is on the back of a centaur - is the halfling riding a mount or is he better to be considered as carried equipment for purposes of hitting him?  Is the centaur NOT a mount just because it is deciding on its own where to go and what to do?  What rules would you use if you had an Awakened mount?  Could it no longer be used AS a mount?  Would a human "rider" on an awakened horse have to be considered as carried equipment for purposes of hitting him just because his horse is able to make the decisions about where to go?I think it was a bad choice to consider a living creature to be equipment for purposes of hitting them in combat.  Since the rules just do not cover the eventuality of hitting a familiar that is "carried" by someone, even put in a pocket or backpack, it'd be better to have invented new rules out of whole cloth than to adapt SUNDER.  I haven't looked too closely at their suggestions so it might actually work okay, but I'd rather see the wording of Sunder repeated exactly with a new name attached to it than see the word Sunder actually used in reference to what's being done.  Yes, it's that important.</blockquote>