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Message: <blockquote data-quote="keterys" data-source="post: 6336381" data-attributes="member: 43019">I'll definitely grant that LFR is very focused away from surge use, except in a couple places. The adventures just aren't long enough (and/or dangerous enough) for it to be an issue.That's not at all my experience outside of LFR, though; especially early on. One of my favorite moments from a campaign was when the party's defender walked bloodied and surgeless into the boss fight, because resting would have meant failure.I also remember going to extreme steps to keep the druid healed in one campaign. Mind you, that's the campaign where we also hit 8 milestones once. Surgeless healing was _very_ much a thing there.It became less of a problem later on with Comrade's Succor and Keoghtom's Ointment, but at the same time those being used also meant there was still an impact I suppose.At any rate, the main thing I liked about healing surges was actually that it made healing amounts reasonable and relevant. I don't want to see people figuring out healing at very high level by rolling out 1d8 for a healing spell 10-20 times to top people off.</blockquote>