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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dcollins" data-source="post: 445586" data-attributes="member: 876">I fundamentally agree with Petrosian. There are two very distinct types of item creation which are frequently, and incorrectly, collapsed:(1) Items that directly recreate spells: use of Brew Potion, Scribe Scroll, and Craft Wands feats. These items do have parameters for construction, with concrete pricing formulas, given on the PH p. 78. Hence they are items that require meeting parameters in the PH and do not need explicit listing in the DMG.(2) All "other magic items": as per the language of the DMG p. 178. These items do not have definition parameters or prices in the PH. They must be found on the explicit lists in the DMG or, indeed, you do not have automatic permission to create them. Instead, one is forced to resort to the "new items" rules in the DMG, which only provide rough pricing guidelines, and require special DM approval, because any such "new items" are intrinsically house-ruled.If by default you allow any "new items" to always be constructed, then 1&2 look like the same thing, but that's not how it's presented in the core rules. Parameters for design are relevant for #1, and are fundamentally in the hands of the player (not DM), as in the specific case of a potion of ironguts (or whatever). But no parameters for freely-permitted design are given for #2 -- they are fundamentally in the hands of the DM, not players. Petrosian's original point was referring to the topic of this thread, a permanent use-activated healing item in category #2, and his point still stands.</blockquote>

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