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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5027279" data-attributes="member: 82106">Yeah, you're not even close to the bottom of that well yet. I direct you to the druid using Wild Shape and in his beast form. Note the way the Wild Shape power SPECIFICALLY says you can sustain other powers while Wild Shaped even if they lack the beast form keyword. According to CS this is so because EVEN SUSTAINING A POWER IS USING IT. As a consequence if a druid casts a summons and then uses Wild Shape he has apparently no way to command his summons because to do so would be a forbidden use of the power (assuming it lacks the beast form keyword, which is true of all extant summons powers).This CS ruling also has the consequence that a caster taking ANY action which relates to an ongoing ranged or area power provokes an OA. This includes sustaining any such power, making some type of attack, commanding a summons, etc. In fact the consequences are quite broad. Beyond that there are some rather absurd consequences we can dismiss out of hand, but they still exist. For example if sustain counts as use the wording of the rule restricting you to using a daily once a day kicks in and sustain is illegal by RAW.Now, I obviously think CS is full of it, but that doesn't entirely settle the argument. For example druid summons have instinctive actions. Why do they have these? Probably because in beast form the druid can't command them. Thus we see that in some contexts "use" NEEDS to include secondary ongoing usage of the effects of a power. Yet sustain clearly needs to be excluded from the definition of using a power, at least in the general case.In other words RAW is fairly worthless, CS can't be interpreted literally either and you simply MUST go with RAI in terms of what constitutes use of a power and its related consequences. The rules simply aren't implementable by strict RAW construction.</blockquote>

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