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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Najo" data-source="post: 4353442" data-attributes="member: 9959">I suggest you try playing 4e with your group and see what happens. The reason why is that when playing 4e it teaches the players to DM it. I have friend who never really got into roleplaying until this new edition. Then after a few sessions he took a whack at Dming and did awesome with it.4e is really fun and easy to run, it gets the rules out of the dm's way. The player's handbook has all of the rulees too, and most of the "complicated" rules (like ongoing effects, saves, monster special rules and such) are very transparent when used. This allows player to learn the Dming as they play without realizing they are doing it. Ask any 4e player what kobolds do and why they are hard to fight and they all know about that shifty rule <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Anyrate, grab Keep on the Shadowfell and run it for them and see what happens with your group. I bet you will get a couple of players wanting to run 4e in no time.</blockquote>