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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8729137" data-attributes="member: 18">EXACTLY.Do you see what I'm saying now? This is only a problem if the DM wants to be a totally massive, as you put it "dick".They need to set up an ambush on the PCs, arrange the scenario so their guy can get away (something they have 100% power over, as this is D&D, they can make up whatever scenario, however far-fetched, that allows it), and then cheese the hell out of it. The solution is: don't do that!Also agree 100%. I was immediately think of annoyingly positioned archers and the like lol.Somewhat skeptical of Reynard's claims. Really strikes me as one of those would have to see it to believe it scenarios. But also, if he's running it coldly fair (which seems like a key tenet of that dungeoncrawl approach), that "tricksy Bard" is having to make Perception checks of his own to even find/know about the party, Stealth checks to try and sneak up on them, Initiative rolls to try and beat them to the punch, and so on, so the odds of "Tricksy Bard" successfully pulling this off, and not accidentally "sneaking" right past the party's Rogue or Ranger, who then ambushes ol Tricksy themselves, or otherwise falling afoul of the party are extremely low. Again, thus not a real problem because the most likely result by far is "RIP Tricksy Bard! <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="☠️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/2620.png" title="Skull and crossbones    :skull_crossbones:" data-shortname=":skull_crossbones:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> You didn't even get to cast a spell <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="😭" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f62d.png" title="Loudly crying face    :sob:" data-shortname=":sob:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />".It's only a "real problem" with jerk "Killer" DMs who set up outrageous and unfair scenarios just to harass the hell out of their players/PCs that this is a true menace (which is honestly what Mistwell seems to be describing being done to him - I presume it's at least semi-consensual but I hope they have a safe word!).</blockquote>

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