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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stormonu" data-source="post: 5641225" data-attributes="member: 52734">yes, I've actually used this for my homebrew, and it actually came up, via a place known as Hell's Gate, a "backdoor" rumored to lead to a treasure vault within Hell itself.  According to lore for my campaign, you can literally fly up to the heavens, or cross the seas "up" to heaven (my campaign world sits inside the sphere of the owrld, instead of being on the outside).  There's also a great maelstrom/waterspout combo in the sea that will take you to the elemental plane of water ("the source of all water").You can also follow the underdark deep enough to reach the howling caves of Pandemonium, and if you can navigate the maze of insanity-inducing cverns, eventually step into Hades/Purgatory, and then through the doors of Damnation into Hell.  While you might describe some of these as portals, they are static locations and no different from opening a door in the middle of the woods to enter a woodsman's cottage.As for the source of up/down for heaven and hell, My hunch is it goes back at least to Greek views of the realms of the gods - Olympus high upon a mountain of its namesake, and Hades accessible from a volcano in the greek realms, whose name I can't remember right now (remember Orpheus's descent into the "underworld"?I'm sure Dantes comedies have also had a strong influence, though thr question would be was he influenced by others?  And I'd expect that yes, he was influenced by greek writings he'd read.</blockquote>

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