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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4721924" data-attributes="member: 2011">No, you are correct here.For me, the only problem with the AV armors are Weavemail and Nagascale (IMO). Compared to the other armors, those armors gain something which is not necessary. They give up nothing in order to gain the +1 to Will and +1 to Fort respectively (+1 Will is half of a Paragon feat for free).There are other AV armors that lose 1 AC in order to gain 2 Will or 2 Fort or to Resist, but I am not bothered by that since Will and Fort attacks are so much less frequent and resist stops only a fraction of damage. Something more frequent is lost to gain something more of something less frequent. To me, that is balanced. Weavemail and Nagascale are "bigger, badder, better". Extra gain for the sake of extra gain with no real regard to balance.The advantage of the PHB II table (over the AV table) is that it presents all of the armors without the distraction for a DM of whether other benefits of the armor are balanced or not (if one ignores the * for Weavemail and Nagascale).From the PHB II table, I can see at a glance that as a DM, I want to ignore the Weavemail and Nagascale extra bonuses and the rest of the table is totally ok. That's extremely easy to see.It's much harder to see that in the AV tables without sitting and analyzing the armors one at a time. I must admit, I did not look carefully at the AV tables previously, but I now see that they are more or less identical to PHB II.It's not illusory for the PHB heavy armor tables.Dropping 1 or 2 on the chart above is no big deal. Nobody would be talking about that. Dropping 5 is a big deal. That's not scaling.And that's precisely why WotC fixed it in AV and in PHB II. Until one sits and analyzes it, it's easy to just use the PHB numbers and have a TPK at mid-Paragon levels because of it.</blockquote>

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