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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1747122" data-attributes="member: 478">So they pay more to scale their low level powers to high level and get all that in return? Wow! Good deal, for sure! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />In fact, yes, I do, as well as I do know about the shift to Intelligence as their prime ability, which is the reason for that "effective" up there. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />In my experience (which is quite extensive when it comes to playing arcanists of both types), hell yes!Sorcerers are immensely effective characters!They are somewhat "boring", since they don't really get much different stuff, tho it's ok after level 8 or 9, but their power level is more than fine once they get beyond the very first levels, yeah.Wizards are slightly ahead, but not much.You know, that this means the sorcerer. I'm sure you do. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />It's one of the things you have to pay for being a spontaneous caster in the core rules. The other main ones are a huge limitation on spells known and no bonus feats. All three of those do not apply to psions (the limit on powers known somewhat, but it's a LOT less restrictive as for the sorcerer, especially if you look at the top levels, which are currently available (i.e. 3rd and 4th for an 8th level caster).And spontaneous manifestation isn't really much of an advantage over the wizard?So then, just take that away, have Psions prepare their powers ahead of time, once per day they have to say in what way exactly they are going to spent their power points. I'd say, this would make them equal to wizards then.Up to a degree, remember the caps?Every system has upsides and downsides as explained fairly extensively somewhere above.But these should be roughly balanced and as it stands, I'm quite certain that the downsides of psionics do not balance the upsides.Yeah, it is, but in turn, metapsionics are cheaper in terms of levels added, and in most cases completely unnecessary, anyways, since the important ones (for sorcerers/wizards) aren't even needed (like Still, Silent, Empower, Heighten, Energy Affinity).ByeThanee</blockquote>

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